Comments on: Identifying the Future http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:40:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Diane http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html#comment-2349 Diane Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:46:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=256#comment-2349 Chuck, I appreciated your comments. My mother was on the pastor seeking committee for her chruch and what I never had heard before is the exoritant cost of finding a pastor. This at least is true in PCUSA Presbyterian land. First they must put together a thorough questionnaire to the members about the purpose of the church and its mission statement. Then they have to correlate this and send it to Presbyterian headquarters. Pastors seeking chruches read the statement of various churches to see if they think they are a match. Then they send their tape to the churches. The members of the pastor seeking committees then must spend hours and gobs of money traveling all over the place to hear these prospective candidates preach. The last item on the almsot two year agenda is to spend money to fly a candidate they like to their church to preach. Ummmm...isn't their a simpler, more inexpensive way to do this? Yes, I think there is and I think we all are on to it...LOL. Chuck,
I appreciated your comments. My mother was on the pastor seeking committee for her chruch and what I never had heard before is the exoritant cost of finding a pastor. This at least is true in PCUSA Presbyterian land. First they must put together a thorough questionnaire to the members about the purpose of the church and its mission statement. Then they have to correlate this and send it to Presbyterian headquarters. Pastors seeking chruches read the statement of various churches to see if they think they are a match. Then they send their tape to the churches. The members of the pastor seeking committees then must spend hours and gobs of money traveling all over the place to hear these prospective candidates preach. The last item on the almsot two year agenda is to spend money to fly a candidate they like to their church to preach.

Ummmm…isn’t their a simpler, more inexpensive way to do this? Yes, I think there is and I think we all are on to it…LOL.

]]> By: chuck http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html#comment-2348 chuck Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:14:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=256#comment-2348 There is something to be said about "promoting" from within the ranks (sorry about the military reference). I have recently become a deacon in my church with 2 others. We have been going through a class with our pastor and elder(we are still waiting for the other elder)the book we have been using is The Making of a Leader, by Frank Damazio. It is what our leadership has used as a model for church leadership since we started 6 years ago. I have been on a search committee at another church and found that finding the right guy is nearly impossible. The whole idea of setting up an interview and asking for a demo tape seems out of whack with God's plan. It sounds more like an audition. I have been on the other end also and have found the pressure to perform unbearable. I think that God wants us to reach from within to pick our leaders for many reasons. The most important reason, I believe, is that we know what we are getting as far as what that person's walk is like, theology, Etc.. This said, I think that most churches need to look at the way they disciple. Unfortunatly most churches look at discipleship as an 8 week course that is offered after a salvation experience. Maybe a litmus test for a church's effectiveness would be if there are any members that could be pulled for leadership. I for one, am hoping to work my way out of a job, making a way for my children to lead. There is something to be said about “promoting” from within the ranks (sorry about the military reference). I have recently become a deacon in my church with 2 others. We have been going through a class with our pastor and elder(we are still waiting for the other elder)the book we have been using is The Making of a Leader, by Frank Damazio. It is what our leadership has used as a model for church leadership since we started 6 years ago. I have been on a search committee at another church and found that finding the right guy is nearly impossible. The whole idea of setting up an interview and asking for a demo tape seems out of whack with God’s plan. It sounds more like an audition. I have been on the other end also and have found the pressure to perform unbearable. I think that God wants us to reach from within to pick our leaders for many reasons. The most important reason, I believe, is that we know what we are getting as far as what that person’s walk is like, theology, Etc.. This said, I think that most churches need to look at the way they disciple. Unfortunatly most churches look at discipleship as an 8 week course that is offered after a salvation experience. Maybe a litmus test for a church’s effectiveness would be if there are any members that could be pulled for leadership. I for one, am hoping to work my way out of a job, making a way for my children to lead.

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html#comment-2347 Anonymous Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=256#comment-2347 try www.xenos.org or, perhaps closer to you, www.xenos-cincy.org, which recently promoted one of its own elders to a pastor-ish position when the another moved out of town try http://www.xenos.org

or, perhaps closer to you,

http://www.xenos-cincy.org, which recently promoted one of its own elders to a pastor-ish position when the another moved out of town

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html#comment-2346 Dan Edelen Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:34:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=256#comment-2346 Anonymous, I'd like to know more about Xenos. Could you tel us more or point us to a Web site? Thanks! Anonymous,

I’d like to know more about Xenos. Could you tel us more or point us to a Web site?

Thanks!

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2004/12/identifying-the-future.html#comment-2345 Anonymous Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:45:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=256#comment-2345 Xenos Christian Fellowship has been doing church this way for 30 years. It does, as you say, demonstrate what our values are. Xenos Christian Fellowship has been doing church this way for 30 years. It does, as you say, demonstrate what our values are.

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