Comments on: Another Look at the Church’s Missing Men http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:44:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Cerulean Sanctum » The Church’s Missing Men http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html#comment-24338 Cerulean Sanctum » The Church’s Missing Men Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:14:55 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=312#comment-24338 [...] A 4/20/05 follow-up to this issue is available: Another Look at the Church's Missing Men. These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web [...] [...] A 4/20/05 follow-up to this issue is available: Another Look at the Church's Missing Men. These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web [...]

]]> By: LoverofTorah http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html#comment-5899 LoverofTorah Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:51:12 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=312#comment-5899 Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." REST. What a concept. Men are tired and women too for that matter b/c the church continues to disobey what Yahweh has commanded.. The church system was never what the Lord intended. Men are to be the priest of the home, and teach their own family the Word. The community of fellow believers should only enhance a family's life, not be a drain on it. I am so thankful for the Sabbath. Our family gets together with other torah observant believers about once a month to study scripture and fellowship. On the other sabbaths we just spend time resting as a family, studying, eating, enjoying each other and Yahweh. It is truly wonderful and I feel sorry that so many in the church have made it complicated and are missing out. Shalom Exodus 20:8-11

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”

REST. What a concept. Men are tired and women too for that matter b/c the church continues to disobey what Yahweh has commanded.. The church system was never what the Lord intended. Men are to be the priest of the home, and teach their own family the Word. The community of fellow believers should only enhance a family’s life, not be a drain on it.

I am so thankful for the Sabbath. Our family gets together with other torah observant believers about once a month to study scripture and fellowship. On the other sabbaths we just spend time resting as a family, studying, eating, enjoying each other and Yahweh. It is truly wonderful and I feel sorry that so many in the church have made it complicated and are missing out.
Shalom

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html#comment-2523 Anonymous Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:48:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=312#comment-2523 Great article, especially for even addressing the issue of the missing males. I have found that many men in the non-Christian world don't want to be burdened by Church because it represents morality. They want to be able to have a drink, say what they want, play the field and sow some wild oats without having a parental organzation, the Church, tell them their lifestyle is wrong. Morality is perceived as feminine. Adventure is masculine. And the church is hardly an adventurous place. Great article, especially for even addressing the issue of the missing males. I have found that many men in the non-Christian world don’t want to be burdened by Church because it represents morality. They want to be able to have a drink, say what they want, play the field and sow some wild oats without having a parental organzation, the Church, tell them their lifestyle is wrong. Morality is perceived as feminine. Adventure is masculine. And the church is hardly an adventurous place.

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html#comment-2522 Anonymous Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:41:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=312#comment-2522 This entire debate is occurring within the context of the flaccid, milquetoast American evangelical church of the 21st century. We have all become so spoiled that we no longer need to trust in God for most of what we need. Just imagine Martin Luther worrying about the Catholic authorities reducing his retirement benefits! As for the idea that men can't respond to sermons because of inferior ability to function verbally, well, did the Puritans come to America because their wives nagged them (since they couldn't process the sermons they heard, or read)? Was it only women who responded to Jonathan Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"? No, men are fully capable of responding to the Word of God. Let's not let some secular psychologist convince us otherwise. Come on, let's stop the game playing. Men are just not as dedicated to studying and obeying the Word of God as they were 100 or 400 years ago. Those who settled this country left every- thing behind, and thus faced much greater problems than those who fear forced early retirement. But they truly knew God, and loved Him, and feared Him, and obeyed Him. We do not. I'm as corrupted as the rest of you, and have no easy solutions. But let's at least recognize our flaccid, milquetoast condition, and ask for a true outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Only He will know how to make things right. This entire debate is occurring
within the context of the flaccid,
milquetoast American evangelical
church of the 21st century. We
have all become so spoiled that
we no longer need to trust in God
for most of what we need. Just
imagine Martin Luther worrying
about the Catholic authorities
reducing his retirement benefits!
As for the idea that men can’t
respond to sermons because of
inferior ability to function
verbally, well, did the Puritans
come to America because their
wives nagged them (since they
couldn’t process the sermons they
heard, or read)? Was it only
women who responded to Jonathan
Edwards’ “Sinners in the Hands of
an Angry God”? No, men are fully
capable of responding to the Word
of God. Let’s not let some
secular psychologist convince us
otherwise.
Come on, let’s stop the game
playing. Men are just not as
dedicated to studying and obeying
the Word of God as they were 100
or 400 years ago. Those who
settled this country left every-
thing behind, and thus faced much
greater problems than those who
fear forced early retirement. But
they truly knew God, and loved
Him, and feared Him, and obeyed
Him. We do not.
I’m as corrupted as the rest of
you, and have no easy solutions.
But let’s at least recognize our
flaccid, milquetoast condition,
and ask for a true outpouring of
the Holy Spirit. Only He will
know how to make things right.

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/04/another-look-at-churchs-missing-men.html#comment-2521 Anonymous Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:25:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=312#comment-2521 You all have some good points, but I think the real issue is fear. Hebrews 13:6 tells us that if we are really trusting God, and obey- ing His commands, we should be able to boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me." Concerns about aging and the possibility of economic loss are real. So were concerns about being martyred for one's faith at various times in church history, including today. We are SUPPOSED to be willing to truly trust God in ALL these things, as the heroes of the past did. Many of them suffered far worse fates than being laid off. What the church needs is empowerment from God to empower all of us to have that same courageous faith that motivated Christians of past centuries. I'm not any more courageous than any of you. I just think I see a more fundamental aspect of the problems under discussion. You all have some good points, but
I think the real issue is fear.
Hebrews 13:6 tells us that if we
are really trusting God, and obey-
ing His commands, we should be
able to boldly say, “The Lord is
my helper, and I will not fear
what man shall do unto me.”
Concerns about aging and the
possibility of economic loss are
real. So were concerns about
being martyred for one’s faith
at various times in church history, including today. We are
SUPPOSED to be willing to truly
trust God in ALL these things,
as the heroes of the past did.
Many of them suffered far worse
fates than being laid off. What
the church needs is empowerment
from God to empower all of us to
have that same courageous faith
that motivated Christians of past
centuries.
I’m not any more courageous
than any of you. I just think I
see a more fundamental aspect of
the problems under discussion.

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