Comments on: The Myth of “Pantribulationism” http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:59:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html#comment-99 Anonymous Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:46:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=55#comment-99 My inaugural address at the Great Throne Judgment of the Dead, after I have raptured out billions! At: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/spaceman My inaugural address at the Great Throne Judgment of the Dead, after I have raptured out billions!

At: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/spaceman

]]> By: Gaddabout http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html#comment-98 Gaddabout Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:05:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=55#comment-98 You also have to consider the density of my brain. You were probably writing clearly to the majority of people who don't have reading comprehension issues such as myself. I get what you're saying --- every Christian has an eschatology and it's important to them, even if they say they don't or downplay it. Eschatology is central to the Gospel. How we each view things affects how we act as Christians. Got it. Dig it. Totally agree. To repeat the words of Jack Moraine, my former pastor: "I have faith that God will work it out so nobody's prophecy chart is right. Because I just can't believe God would allow us to live in an eternity with one guy bragging, 'I told you so. I told you so.'" You also have to consider the density of my brain. You were probably writing clearly to the majority of people who don’t have reading comprehension issues such as myself.

I get what you’re saying — every Christian has an eschatology and it’s important to them, even if they say they don’t or downplay it. Eschatology is central to the Gospel. How we each view things affects how we act as Christians. Got it. Dig it. Totally agree.

To repeat the words of Jack Moraine, my former pastor: “I have faith that God will work it out so nobody’s prophecy chart is right. Because I just can’t believe God would allow us to live in an eternity with one guy bragging, ‘I told you so. I told you so.’”

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html#comment-97 Dan Edelen Sat, 02 Jul 2005 04:24:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=55#comment-97 Jennifer, Gaddabout, et al., Some more thoughts: I am fully in the "now and not yet" camp. I have no problem reconciling that paradox. My eschatology is always a bit in flux, but I lean amillennial and believe the Church goes through most (if not all) of the tribulation. The End is the end. One trumpet, not two. That's where I am right now. And I'll probably be delinked from a number of sites that claim me in their blogroll for admitting this. C'est la vie. Now, as to the major premise of my piece, I am saddened to hear that I was not clear. If anything I write for clarity. I think the tongue-in-cheek nature of the post may have confused people. All I want to say is that it is impossible to be neutral on eschatology. Whatever your eschatological view is, it will play out very obviously in your life. Your Christian walk, your political bent, your attitude toward children, the car you drive---your view on <I>everything</I> has some expression of your eschatology in it. The person who claims to be a "pantribulationist" is really not telling the truth. And even if they were, that view has its own ramifications when walked out daily. That's what I was hoping to get out, but it looks like I fumbled the ball. Jennifer, Gaddabout, et al.,

Some more thoughts:

I am fully in the “now and not yet” camp. I have no problem reconciling that paradox.

My eschatology is always a bit in flux, but I lean amillennial and believe the Church goes through most (if not all) of the tribulation. The End is the end. One trumpet, not two. That’s where I am right now. And I’ll probably be delinked from a number of sites that claim me in their blogroll for admitting this. C’est la vie.

Now, as to the major premise of my piece, I am saddened to hear that I was not clear. If anything I write for clarity. I think the tongue-in-cheek nature of the post may have confused people.

All I want to say is that it is impossible to be neutral on eschatology. Whatever your eschatological view is, it will play out very obviously in your life. Your Christian walk, your political bent, your attitude toward children, the car you drive—your view on everything has some expression of your eschatology in it. The person who claims to be a “pantribulationist” is really not telling the truth. And even if they were, that view has its own ramifications when walked out daily.

That’s what I was hoping to get out, but it looks like I fumbled the ball.

]]> By: rev-ed http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html#comment-96 rev-ed Sat, 02 Jul 2005 02:31:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=55#comment-96 I think Dan's point here is that our eschatology influences our thought process. The Israel support is a by-product of the rise of dispensationalism, for sure. And no matter which view we hold, subconsciously we are tempted to see everything through that filter. Eschatology is important, but making dogmatic statements about it seems awfully presumputous to me. The only thing which would scare off seekers or new Christians is when we claim to KNOW how prophecy is interpreted and attack those who disagree. A lady asked me this week if I'd read the "Left Behind" books. I told her I don't have time to read much fiction. She quickly claimed, "Oh it's not fiction. This is all real." I just shook my head and turned away. I think Dan’s point here is that our eschatology influences our thought process. The Israel support is a by-product of the rise of dispensationalism, for sure. And no matter which view we hold, subconsciously we are tempted to see everything through that filter.

Eschatology is important, but making dogmatic statements about it seems awfully presumputous to me. The only thing which would scare off seekers or new Christians is when we claim to KNOW how prophecy is interpreted and attack those who disagree.

A lady asked me this week if I’d read the “Left Behind” books. I told her I don’t have time to read much fiction. She quickly claimed, “Oh it’s not fiction. This is all real.”

I just shook my head and turned away.

]]> By: Gaddabout http://ceruleansanctum.com/2005/07/the-myth-of-pantribulationism.html#comment-95 Gaddabout Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:12:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=55#comment-95 I totally forgot to mention, Dan, I love Evans heads. However, I only use the G2 two-ply coated. I want my toms to be expressive, not muffled. I can see going with a Hydraulic BD head. If you like the Hydrolics, check out the Aquarians. Good stuff. Just wanted to bring it back home with some important stuff. =) I totally forgot to mention, Dan, I love Evans heads. However, I only use the G2 two-ply coated. I want my toms to be expressive, not muffled. I can see going with a Hydraulic BD head. If you like the Hydrolics, check out the Aquarians. Good stuff.

Just wanted to bring it back home with some important stuff. =)

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