However, I will say that to have a goal of a “tentmaker” ministries might be off a bit - frankly, it depends on the time and place. Paul made tents in certain situations - especially when asking for money might be a stumbling block to the Gospel. But in many situations, he was fully supported.

Richard Pratt wrote an excellent commentary on 1 Corinthians and he made the point that pastors and full time Christian workers should be willing, like Paul, to put their salary aside if it is going to put something in front of the Gospel to make people stumble.

I would say that the goal should be a healthy church - where people’s hearts are being changed so they want to give, where they are being challenged to get away from worshipping the dollar and instead worshipping Christ.

If a pastor or pastors are on a church payroll because it is their meal ticket, then you have a problem. However, if a church joyfully supports a pastor or pastors who are then freed up to preach the Word and instruct the church, all the better.

The new testament standard for giving is simple and plain, “Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.” 2 Corinthians 9:7

I have yet to see a definition of tithing which is in agreement with this scripture. Tithing was originally created as a church tax. Many churches have linked it to Malachi, and they teach that by giving less then 10% you are robbing God. This clearly ignores the fact that believers should not “give under compulsion.”

It appears that your definition may be a bit more lax then this, I understand that. The problem however, is that whenever you suggest a percent of someone’s income, it becomes an obligation. The majority of churches frown upon members who fail to give at least 10%. And even if church leaders say that the tithe is not obligatory, the fact that they are mentioning a proportion negates that statement.

Now, I do agree with the comment that Christians in America can easily give more then what they do give now. But the word “tithe” alone carries many problems with it.

There are a lot of other problems with tithing, and there are also many definitions. Thats why I mentioned Dr. Kelly’s website, because there is no way I can cover every aspect in a few short paragraphs. But I am suggesting that this matter deserves a closer look.

If you’ve read this blog enough, you should know that what I advocate is that all we have be in play for the Lord and the brethren at all times. That’s not a strict OT tithing system, by any means. I’ll assume you were replying to Helen and not me then.

I too have given to one prominent ministry and dislike the constant emails requesting money.

Being prosperous may not be a bad thing if that person truly gives much to the kingdom of God and does it in a way not to draw attention to himself.

I think having a sermon about tithing is necessary since it is a biblical concept, but not very often.

As you were suggesting what the American church could be, the word uptopia came to mind. I am not as optimistic about the American church. But people like you proclaiming what they should be is a start.