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	<title>Comments on: Tozer on Testing the Spirits</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tozer being a common-sense sort of guy, I'd expect to find some Biblical common-sense sort of things in that quote. And, having read it, I did.

I'd add some more, though, because it is &lt;B&gt;obvious&lt;/B&gt; that from Tozer's perspective, one must experience this "spirit" in order to test it. He asks repeatedly, "What has this done to my ..." and I would point out that this is less useful than you might think. If we have no way of testing the spirits &lt;B&gt;before&lt;/B&gt; we experience them, then we may as well adopt cessationism and keep away all evil (and it is for this reason that some sects &lt;B&gt;have&lt;/B&gt; adopted cessationism - not because they believe that God has stopped working, but because they do not understand how to test the spirits).

One example of testing the spirits is my experience with an acquaintance I made in Denver. He seemed at first an okay guy, but as time drew on I began to notice, from time to time, creeping out from his mouth, statements against the church and against its leadership, behind their backs (not a Christian method). I also noticed a tendency for him to want to lord it over other people (not a Christian method). Other signs of his lack of spiritual maturity were his tendency to emphasize works over faith, to twist the truth so that it suited him, to justify his own sins to all and sundry, and to use the statements of non-Christians as evidence for his position on sexual sin (that fornication is nowhere condemned in the Bible). But the most obvious sign was a fundamental lack of any of "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control."

Finding these things out took months. There are people out there who are very good at faking the "spiritual talk" and the "spiritual walk." Don't be fooled.

In the early centuries of the church, some converted Christians were required to be with the church for several years before they were allowed to be baptized - so that the church could see them demonstrate their faith by their works.

I think that's ultimately the &lt;B&gt;best&lt;/B&gt; test of any spirit. If someone prophesies, is that person a mature Christian? Are they walking the walk? Or are they spouting supposedly holy words from a distinctly unholy mouth? If you don't know them - respect them, but don't ascribe any particular authority to their words until you know them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tozer being a common-sense sort of guy, I&#8217;d expect to find some Biblical common-sense sort of things in that quote. And, having read it, I did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add some more, though, because it is <b>obvious</b> that from Tozer&#8217;s perspective, one must experience this &#8220;spirit&#8221; in order to test it. He asks repeatedly, &#8220;What has this done to my &#8230;&#8221; and I would point out that this is less useful than you might think. If we have no way of testing the spirits <b>before</b> we experience them, then we may as well adopt cessationism and keep away all evil (and it is for this reason that some sects <b>have</b> adopted cessationism - not because they believe that God has stopped working, but because they do not understand how to test the spirits).</p>
<p>One example of testing the spirits is my experience with an acquaintance I made in Denver. He seemed at first an okay guy, but as time drew on I began to notice, from time to time, creeping out from his mouth, statements against the church and against its leadership, behind their backs (not a Christian method). I also noticed a tendency for him to want to lord it over other people (not a Christian method). Other signs of his lack of spiritual maturity were his tendency to emphasize works over faith, to twist the truth so that it suited him, to justify his own sins to all and sundry, and to use the statements of non-Christians as evidence for his position on sexual sin (that fornication is nowhere condemned in the Bible). But the most obvious sign was a fundamental lack of any of &#8220;love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finding these things out took months. There are people out there who are very good at faking the &#8220;spiritual talk&#8221; and the &#8220;spiritual walk.&#8221; Don&#8217;t be fooled.</p>
<p>In the early centuries of the church, some converted Christians were required to be with the church for several years before they were allowed to be baptized - so that the church could see them demonstrate their faith by their works.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s ultimately the <b>best</b> test of any spirit. If someone prophesies, is that person a mature Christian? Are they walking the walk? Or are they spouting supposedly holy words from a distinctly unholy mouth? If you don&#8217;t know them - respect them, but don&#8217;t ascribe any particular authority to their words until you know them.</p>
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		<title>By: rev-ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev-ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the resource link, Dan.  I haven't read any Tozer since I was in grad school and the local library doesn't have any in stock (although they do have a decent number of Christian books!).

Now if I can keep my family off the computer long enough so that I can read it... ;)

Flu bug here.  My 14 year old son is down for the week.  He's the second in the family to get it.  I'm looking over my shoulder...

Still working on the template at my place.  Thanks for the hint.  I'll see what I can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the resource link, Dan.  I haven&#8217;t read any Tozer since I was in grad school and the local library doesn&#8217;t have any in stock (although they do have a decent number of Christian books!).</p>
<p>Now if I can keep my family off the computer long enough so that I can read it&#8230; <img src='http://ceruleansanctum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Flu bug here.  My 14 year old son is down for the week.  He&#8217;s the second in the family to get it.  I&#8217;m looking over my shoulder&#8230;</p>
<p>Still working on the template at my place.  Thanks for the hint.  I&#8217;ll see what I can find.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Thanks for asking!

We continue to be hammered by illness here at the Edelen household. I'm dealing with a sinus infection, my wife just got over her third illness in one month, and my son is sick today with an upset stomach. I got about 1.5 hours of sleep last night for some unknown reason and I'm just wiped out today.

So yeah, keep praying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>Thanks for asking!</p>
<p>We continue to be hammered by illness here at the Edelen household. I&#8217;m dealing with a sinus infection, my wife just got over her third illness in one month, and my son is sick today with an upset stomach. I got about 1.5 hours of sleep last night for some unknown reason and I&#8217;m just wiped out today.</p>
<p>So yeah, keep praying!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree --- I have about 8 of his writings &lt;I&gt;(note, I usually don't call them books)&lt;/I&gt;, and have found pieces of all eight in any number of other books...

Most of his stuff is a collection of sermons, talks, teachings...

BTW, how are you feeling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; I have about 8 of his writings <i>(note, I usually don&#8217;t call them books)</i>, and have found pieces of all eight in any number of other books&#8230;</p>
<p>Most of his stuff is a collection of sermons, talks, teachings&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, how are you feeling?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Amymore it's hard to tell how many Tozer books are out there. His entire output is such that probably 25% of his books are real "beginning to end" books, while the rest are compendiums of his writings or collections of sermons.

The real books never change, but the collections are retitled, swapped around, and intermixed so as to make figuring out exactly what is in them problematical. Anyone coming to Tozer for the first time will be confused by titles, I'm sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>Amymore it&#8217;s hard to tell how many Tozer books are out there. His entire output is such that probably 25% of his books are real &#8220;beginning to end&#8221; books, while the rest are compendiums of his writings or collections of sermons.</p>
<p>The real books never change, but the collections are retitled, swapped around, and intermixed so as to make figuring out exactly what is in them problematical. Anyone coming to Tozer for the first time will be confused by titles, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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