Comments on: Leer and Foaming in Las Wendy’s http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:24:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Cerulean Sanctum » The Best of Cerulean Sanctum 2006 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-24387 Cerulean Sanctum » The Best of Cerulean Sanctum 2006 Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:16:07 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-24387 [...] Leer and Foaming in Las Wendy’s [...] [...] Leer and Foaming in Las Wendy’s [...]

]]> By: Catherine http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4759 Catherine Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:22:00 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4759 That last "anonymous" was me... didn't mean to be anonymous. Also, I wanted to clarify that my challenge for men to respect themselves as well as women was for all men, not any one man in particular. As I reread what I wrote I realized it might seem as if I was upset with the author, but I didn't intend that at all and I really think he makes some great points. I just wanted to add the voice of one of "those girls" who are making efforts and just simply not able to solve the problem unilaterally. That last “anonymous” was me… didn’t mean to be anonymous. Also, I wanted to clarify that my challenge for men to respect themselves as well as women was for all men, not any one man in particular. As I reread what I wrote I realized it might seem as if I was upset with the author, but I didn’t intend that at all and I really think he makes some great points. I just wanted to add the voice of one of “those girls” who are making efforts and just simply not able to solve the problem unilaterally.

]]> By: Anonymous http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4756 Anonymous Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:16:02 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4756 I'm certainly not the girl you described seeing in Wendy's or even anyone who looks remotely like her, but I've felt like her before. I am 24 years old and generally quite well-covered. Yesterday, I was wearing a t-shirt with a very-slightly scooped neckline (collarbone exposed, nothing more) and a full, flowy peasant skirt that reached my ankles. I was almost literally covered from head to toe, and yet I still met with a couple of unwelcomed lascivious stares -- AT MY CHURCH. I have heard the modesty lectures and I have bitten my tongue and taken quite a bit of the blame for your lust struggles. I am doing my part, gentlemen. I am thinking critically while I shop and while I get dressed. I am respecting you. When will you start respecting yourselves... and me? I’m certainly not the girl you described seeing in Wendy’s or even anyone who looks remotely like her, but I’ve felt like her before. I am 24 years old and generally quite well-covered. Yesterday, I was wearing a t-shirt with a very-slightly scooped neckline (collarbone exposed, nothing more) and a full, flowy peasant skirt that reached my ankles. I was almost literally covered from head to toe, and yet I still met with a couple of unwelcomed lascivious stares — AT MY CHURCH. I have heard the modesty lectures and I have bitten my tongue and taken quite a bit of the blame for your lust struggles. I am doing my part, gentlemen. I am thinking critically while I shop and while I get dressed. I am respecting you. When will you start respecting yourselves… and me?

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4636 Dan Edelen Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:11:19 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4636 Hannah, I don't want to take the image of Farrah down because it's part of the commentary and speaks just as much about this subject as the text does. If a man (or woman) has a lust problem with this picture, then that person has a serious problem with virtually every image of a woman depicted anywhere, regardless of how clothed or unclothed they are. Again, we're talking internal problems of the heart here. The lyrics to the song "Anything Goes" reinforces this point: <blockquote>In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking....</blockquote> That's an unclean heart issue right there. We make our own sin. Like I said in the post, nothing that woman in the Wendy's wore was going to keep the men there from ogling her. How much of Farrah do I have to obscure before she's acceptable? Do I---like the Cheshire cat---leave nothing but her smile? Or is that akin to "a glimpse of stocking"? We've made this a clothing issue, but it's not just about clothing. Hannah,

I don’t want to take the image of Farrah down because it’s part of the commentary and speaks just as much about this subject as the text does.

If a man (or woman) has a lust problem with this picture, then that person has a serious problem with virtually every image of a woman depicted anywhere, regardless of how clothed or unclothed they are. Again, we’re talking internal problems of the heart here. The lyrics to the song “Anything Goes” reinforces this point:

In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking….

That’s an unclean heart issue right there. We make our own sin. Like I said in the post, nothing that woman in the Wendy’s wore was going to keep the men there from ogling her. How much of Farrah do I have to obscure before she’s acceptable? Do I—like the Cheshire cat—leave nothing but her smile? Or is that akin to “a glimpse of stocking”?

We’ve made this a clothing issue, but it’s not just about clothing.

]]> By: Hannah http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4634 Hannah Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:38:27 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/leer-and-foaming-in-las-wendys.html#comment-4634 I agree with Dan McGowan regarding replacing the picture, I would love to send a link to my husband to read this post, but don't want to because of Miss Farrah's photo. Great commentary. It's been really helpful for me as a woman to better understand men's hearts (and eyes) regarding the sin of lust. As a newlywed, I am trying to better understand how to pray for my husband and come alongside him, rather than reacting emotionally or accusingly. The reason I love this post so much is that it discusses the heart of the issue, rather than lamely trying to set standards and regulations for how women should present themselves. Thank you for asserting that men's wandering eyes are not necessarily a result of women's wardrobes. I know that part of men's fear in discussing this topic with women is their feeling that women don't understand, or that women react to lust as a huge sin beyond all other sin, thereby causing men to want to retreat and hide more. I know that for me, my reactions to knowing that my husband struggles in looking at other women roots in my own insecurities of being <a href="http://bpynn.apparatushosting.org/" rel="nofollow">loved and valued. </a> God is working on my heart, and my husband and I are seeking to establish free and graceful communication about our sins to prevent hiding. <a href="http://bpynn.apparatushosting.org/" rel="nofollow">(here's an excerpt from more thoughts on my blog)</a> But all of these fearful questions that flood my mind all boil down to one thing: Am I loveable the way that I am, despite my looks? It is scary to think that this question can only be fulfilled by My Lord alone when I so desperately want your full attention. 1 Peter 3.3-4 Your adornment must not be merely external–braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. Being precious in the sight of God - is that enough to satisfy my heart, despite where your eyes linger on curves for a second too long, despite what thoughts you entertain, despite your desires? Can I be confident that HE considers me precious and therefore solidifies that I AM precious? In my heart and my mind - yes. It’s just taking my emotions a while to catch up with the truth that I believe. I agree with Dan McGowan regarding replacing the picture, I would love to send a link to my husband to read this post, but don’t want to because of Miss Farrah’s photo.

Great commentary. It’s been really helpful for me as a woman to better understand men’s hearts (and eyes) regarding the sin of lust. As a newlywed, I am trying to better understand how to pray for my husband and come alongside him, rather than reacting emotionally or accusingly.

The reason I love this post so much is that it discusses the heart of the issue, rather than lamely trying to set standards and regulations for how women should present themselves. Thank you for asserting that men’s wandering eyes are not necessarily a result of women’s wardrobes.

I know that part of men’s fear in discussing this topic with women is their feeling that women don’t understand, or that women react to lust as a huge sin beyond all other sin, thereby causing men to want to retreat and hide more. I know that for me, my reactions to knowing that my husband struggles in looking at other women roots in my own insecurities of being loved and valued. God is working on my heart, and my husband and I are seeking to establish free and graceful communication about our sins to prevent hiding.

(here’s an excerpt from more thoughts on my blog)

But all of these fearful questions that flood my mind all boil down to one thing: Am I loveable the way that I am, despite my looks? It is scary to think that this question can only be fulfilled by My Lord alone when I so desperately want your full attention.

1 Peter 3.3-4 Your adornment must not be merely external–braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
Being precious in the sight of God - is that enough to satisfy my heart, despite where your eyes linger on curves for a second too long, despite what thoughts you entertain, despite your desires? Can I be confident that HE considers me precious and therefore solidifies that I AM precious? In my heart and my mind - yes. It’s just taking my emotions a while to catch up with the truth that I believe.

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