Comments on: The Great Giveaway, Part 1 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/10/the-great-giveaway-part-1.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: LoverofTorahhttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/10/the-great-giveaway-part-1.html#comment-8756 LoverofTorah Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:45:26 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/10/the-great-giveaway-part-1.html#comment-8756 Dan, "And God spoke all these words: 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.' " Ex 20:1-2 The 1st commandment of Yahweh is to remind His people that He is the one who brings us out of slavery from the bondage of Egypt ( world system, religious system). This part is ignorantly forgotten b/c the catholic church, and continued with the protestant churches, did not understand that the 1st commandment is stating why "You shall have no other gods before me"...b/c Yahweh was the ONE who brought them out of slavery. Your statement of ..."How we practice the Faith within our specific cultural milieu will also be different." ....I don't agree with and thus is what I see to be the biggest problem within the 'christian church'. Let me explain what I mean. Yahweh is a cyclical Elohim (G-d). He has and always will be. That is why He gives us His new moons, His feasts, His Torah ...so that He can walk His people through each year and all of us be ONE. Last week my family and millions of others celebrated Feast of Tabernacles. We put up our sukkah (tent) in our yard, and spent the week rejoicing in our G-d and thanking Him for all that He has done in our lives. By this act of obedience we are reminded that Yahweh is all that we need, that He will shelter us, provide for us, protect us. These are rehearsals (miqra) not only for the past but also for the future. These are the moedim (Holy appointments) that our Bridegroom wants to have with His bride. So many in charismatic circles are wanting a 'visitation' from the Lord...not knowing that every year Yahweh has appointments that He has set up and they miss them. These are His appointments. He is there waiting for us to show up....let that sink in. Wow. So this week starts the beginning of the cycle again. Reading from the 1st chapter of Bereshith (Genesis). All of His people will be learning together the lessons that He wants teach us. Practicing the scriptures should be in obedience to what is explicitly taught in Torah. It has nothing to do with cultural influences. It is black and white. I understand what you mean by the Spirit guides us where the scriptures are silent....I also know that the scriptures teach alot more than what most new covenant brethren realize. What commandment is the least commandment that Yeshua was referring to? When asked most believers don't know. (Deut 22:6-7) What scripture is Paul referring to in 2 Timothy 3:16 when he states that 'All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness"......the new testament wasn't around at that time.....so what scripture?? There is so much in the Torah on how to live once one is saved ...and about how to live as a community..but many believers are ignorant to what the Torah is ....they have no idea that they have this guidebook. They have been taught by shepherds that it has been done away with...'nailed to the cross'....and so they continue to walk and live in defeat. They continue to purchase books...when the only BOOK they need to study and learn from is Torah (Yeshua is the Living Torah...so I am referring to Genesis thru Revelation --the beginning and the end) As Moses said, " They are not just idle words for you- they are your life." Deut 32:47 Shalom Dan,

“And God spoke all these words:
‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.’ ” Ex 20:1-2

The 1st commandment of Yahweh is to remind His people that He is the one who brings us out of slavery from the bondage of Egypt ( world system, religious system). This part is ignorantly forgotten b/c the catholic church, and continued with the protestant churches, did not understand that the 1st commandment is stating why “You shall have no other gods before me”…b/c Yahweh was the ONE who brought them out of slavery.

Your statement of …”How we practice the Faith within our specific cultural milieu will also be different.” ….I don’t agree with and thus is what I see to be the biggest problem within the ‘christian church’.

Let me explain what I mean.

Yahweh is a cyclical Elohim (G-d). He has and always will be. That is why He gives us His new moons, His feasts, His Torah …so that He can walk His people through each year and all of us be ONE.
Last week my family and millions of others celebrated Feast of Tabernacles. We put up our sukkah (tent) in our yard, and spent the week rejoicing in our G-d and thanking Him for all that He has done in our lives. By this act of obedience we are reminded that Yahweh is all that we need, that He will shelter us, provide for us, protect us. These are rehearsals (miqra) not only for the past but also for the future. These are the moedim (Holy appointments) that our Bridegroom wants to have with His bride.
So many in charismatic circles are wanting a ‘visitation’ from the Lord…not knowing that every year Yahweh has appointments that He has set up and they miss them. These are His appointments. He is there waiting for us to show up….let that sink in. Wow.

So this week starts the beginning of the cycle again. Reading from the 1st chapter of Bereshith (Genesis). All of His people will be learning together the lessons that He wants teach us. Practicing the scriptures should be in obedience to what is explicitly taught in Torah. It has nothing to do with cultural influences. It is black and white. I understand what you mean by the Spirit guides us where the scriptures are silent….I also know that the scriptures teach alot more than what most new covenant brethren realize.

What commandment is the least commandment that Yeshua was referring to? When asked most believers don’t know. (Deut 22:6-7)
What scripture is Paul referring to in 2 Timothy 3:16 when he states that ‘All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness”……the new testament wasn’t around at that time…..so what scripture??

There is so much in the Torah on how to live once one is saved …and about how to live as a community..but many believers are ignorant to what the Torah is ….they have no idea that they have this guidebook.
They have been taught by shepherds that it has been done away with…’nailed to the cross’….and so they continue to walk and live in defeat. They continue to purchase books…when the only BOOK they need to study and learn from is Torah (Yeshua is the Living Torah…so I am referring to Genesis thru Revelation –the beginning and the end)

As Moses said, ” They are not just idle words for you- they are your life.” Deut 32:47

Shalom

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]]> By: Dan Edelenhttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/10/the-great-giveaway-part-1.html#comment-8451 Dan Edelen Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:34:16 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/10/the-great-giveaway-part-1.html#comment-8451 LoT, No one is denigrating Scripture here! Plenty of Scripture is discussed in a godly way on this blog. How we practice the Scriptures we know is one of the main purposes of Cerulean Sanctum. But practice differs largely with respect to cultural forces that must be understood. Those cultural forces influence everything we practice of the Faith, but we often ignore how influential they are because our own cultural guides have become invisible to us. Books like <i>The Great Giveaway</i> point out how cultural practices have influenced how we operate as Christians. For that reason, they are important. Scripture tells us many things, but it does not always tell us how or what we should do on a granular level. The Spirit lives in us for that reason. God speaks the how and what to us by His Spirit, not just through His word. For instance, if my neighbor is sick, how should I best minister to him? The Bible tells us that we should minister to the sick, but it does not always tell us how. Many times, the "how" is influenced more by cultural forces than the guiding of the Spirit. Sometimes those cultural forces are in line with the Spirit and sometimes they are not. The Spirit guides us where the Scriptures are silent. LoT,

No one is denigrating Scripture here! Plenty of Scripture is discussed in a godly way on this blog.

How we practice the Scriptures we know is one of the main purposes of Cerulean Sanctum. But practice differs largely with respect to cultural forces that must be understood. Those cultural forces influence everything we practice of the Faith, but we often ignore how influential they are because our own cultural guides have become invisible to us. Books like The Great Giveaway point out how cultural practices have influenced how we operate as Christians. For that reason, they are important.

Scripture tells us many things, but it does not always tell us how or what we should do on a granular level. The Spirit lives in us for that reason. God speaks the how and what to us by His Spirit, not just through His word.

For instance, if my neighbor is sick, how should I best minister to him? The Bible tells us that we should minister to the sick, but it does not always tell us how. Many times, the “how” is influenced more by cultural forces than the guiding of the Spirit. Sometimes those cultural forces are in line with the Spirit and sometimes they are not. The Spirit guides us where the Scriptures are silent.

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