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	<title>Comments on: Busting Myths About Christianity: Assessing Myths 4-6</title>
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		<title>By: Blog Quotes &#124; Bowden McElroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Quotes &#124; Bowden McElroy</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Dan Edelen at Cerulean Sanctum: You won&#8217;t find a church with a Fifty Year Plan. Or a Twenty, for that matter. Long-range [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Dan Edelen at Cerulean Sanctum: You won&#8217;t find a church with a Fifty Year Plan. Or a Twenty, for that matter. Long-range [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Good. (Engl.) &#171; 230 km</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good. (Engl.) &#171; 230 km</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Sanctum is blogging an interesting series right now which was the inspiration for this post. In Busting Myths about Christianity, Dan says this: So whither the Christian intellectual? Do any still [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Sanctum is blogging an interesting series right now which was the inspiration for this post. In Busting Myths about Christianity, Dan says this: So whither the Christian intellectual? Do any still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francisco,

I&#039;ve read Wells. I like him. He&#039;s one of the guys who inspired me to think harder about the state of the Church.

But ultimately, his focus on ecclesiology and theology prevents Wells from being the kind of multi-disciplined intellectual that can speak on a national stage. He&#039;s primarily an academic rather than the type of philosopher/thinker that can talk on a wide variety of topics. He&#039;s also rather narrow in some regards. By that I mean he&#039;s got a singular view and he&#039;s locked into it, as if nothing could ever shake him enough to contemplate other options. In other words, he&#039;s not visionary. I don&#039;t think that lack is good in a true intellectual. Wells is not a Francis Schaeffer-type. We need someone like Schaeffer more so than Wells.

This is not to denigrate Wells. Like I said, I&#039;ve gotten a lot from Wells&#039;s ecclesiastical views, but he doesn&#039;t typically delve into issues like the economy, the environment, and other social issues.

Lastly, while he&#039;s written many things against postmodernism, he seems utterly resistant to developing the kind of thought patterns required of someone who must speak to a postmodern age. Schaeffer did this brilliantly, but Wells can only critique; he can&#039;t meet postmoderns where they are. He&#039;s too stuck in modernism to bridge the gap. He most definitely sees the problems, but his solutions won&#039;t work correctly in a world that thinks in a whole different way. Wells keeps shouting for the genie to get back in the bottle. That&#039;s not going to happen. We need better.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve read Wells. I like him. He&#8217;s one of the guys who inspired me to think harder about the state of the Church.</p>
<p>But ultimately, his focus on ecclesiology and theology prevents Wells from being the kind of multi-disciplined intellectual that can speak on a national stage. He&#8217;s primarily an academic rather than the type of philosopher/thinker that can talk on a wide variety of topics. He&#8217;s also rather narrow in some regards. By that I mean he&#8217;s got a singular view and he&#8217;s locked into it, as if nothing could ever shake him enough to contemplate other options. In other words, he&#8217;s not visionary. I don&#8217;t think that lack is good in a true intellectual. Wells is not a Francis Schaeffer-type. We need someone like Schaeffer more so than Wells.</p>
<p>This is not to denigrate Wells. Like I said, I&#8217;ve gotten a lot from Wells&#8217;s ecclesiastical views, but he doesn&#8217;t typically delve into issues like the economy, the environment, and other social issues.</p>
<p>Lastly, while he&#8217;s written many things against postmodernism, he seems utterly resistant to developing the kind of thought patterns required of someone who must speak to a postmodern age. Schaeffer did this brilliantly, but Wells can only critique; he can&#8217;t meet postmoderns where they are. He&#8217;s too stuck in modernism to bridge the gap. He most definitely sees the problems, but his solutions won&#8217;t work correctly in a world that thinks in a whole different way. Wells keeps shouting for the genie to get back in the bottle. That&#8217;s not going to happen. We need better.</p>
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		<title>By: David Riggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Riggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the Christian community would respond to this? &quot;Jesus did not die for me.  He died in order to give glory to His Father.&quot;  Because, while there is truth in saying that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us; we are to have the same spirit that Jesus had, which is obedience even to death, to the glory of God.  Jesus died for us, it is true, but He died because He desired, above all things, to glorify God.  Can we say the same thing?  We should!  Emotion will only take one so far along that path.  One might die for a loved one, but will one die for an enemy?  Only rational clarity will take one down that path.  I lean &lt;em&gt;way&lt;/em&gt; out on a limb here: If we are to take our scripture seriously, &lt;em&gt;only those are saved.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the Christian community would respond to this? &#8220;Jesus did not die for me.  He died in order to give glory to His Father.&#8221;  Because, while there is truth in saying that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us; we are to have the same spirit that Jesus had, which is obedience even to death, to the glory of God.  Jesus died for us, it is true, but He died because He desired, above all things, to glorify God.  Can we say the same thing?  We should!  Emotion will only take one so far along that path.  One might die for a loved one, but will one die for an enemy?  Only rational clarity will take one down that path.  I lean <em>way</em> out on a limb here: If we are to take our scripture seriously, <em>only those are saved.</em></p>
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