Comments on: The Holy Who? http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:19:40 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-44749 Dan Edelen Sun, 03 May 2009 21:30:38 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-44749 Patrick, I still read new comments on old posts, so coming late to the game is okay. The whole world is going Pentecostal, mostly because the Pentecostals are the most dedicated to missions and evangelism. Patrick,

I still read new comments on old posts, so coming late to the game is okay.

The whole world is going Pentecostal, mostly because the Pentecostals are the most dedicated to missions and evangelism.

]]> By: Patrick O http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-44746 Patrick O Sun, 03 May 2009 15:22:54 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-44746 Dan, obviously at this post really, really late. Doing some basic research trying to see what's going on in emerging church theology, and especially on the Holy Spirit. There's still a pretty big lack of study on the Holy Spirit in emerging/missional circles, somewhat intentionally in fact. A lot of emerging church thought is reactionary, pushing back against what is seen as excess in various churches. A lot of emerging/missional people have come out of Pentecostal/charismatic churches and so have lingering frustrations they want to avoid. Add to this too the fact that the contemporary church really itself doesn't have a holistic pneumatology, and has essentially ceded the topic of the Spirit to the Pentecostal/charismatic world. This isn't true in academic thought, but broadly throughout the church if the Holy Spirit is mentioned or sought, there is an immediate reaction related to opinions on Pentecostalism. The topic has also been, from this, basically limited to 'spiritual gifts' or other churchy add-ons rather than a substantive theological topic in its own right. I did write an emerging pneumatology of sorts titled <i>It's a Dance: Moving with the Holy Spirit</i> that takes the basic traits of the emerging churches and shows how these are broader, and Scriptural, expressions precisely of the Holy Spirit. An emphasis on Jesus, community, giving, welcoming strangers, participation, non-hierarchical leadership, transformative worship, and creativity are the works of the Spirit in the Bible, going beyond the more exciting emphases focused on in a lot of charismatic communities. To this I also added the emphasis on holiness. I'm pushing for a more substantive study in this direction, presenting on this same topic in an academic style last year at the Society of Pentecostal Studies conference. There's definitely a burgeoning interest from the Pentecostal side, as they see a need to broaden their understanding of the Spirit in a holistic way. But there's not too much interest yet from the emerging side. But, I think this is something that emerging church folks are really going to be addressing more and more, especially as the movement matures and begins to produce more overall theological reflection. Before posting this note I read about the accident in your family. I pray there is substantive healing--physical and emotional--and substantive answers to the needs this provokes. Dan, obviously at this post really, really late. Doing some basic research trying to see what’s going on in emerging church theology, and especially on the Holy Spirit. There’s still a pretty big lack of study on the Holy Spirit in emerging/missional circles, somewhat intentionally in fact. A lot of emerging church thought is reactionary, pushing back against what is seen as excess in various churches. A lot of emerging/missional people have come out of Pentecostal/charismatic churches and so have lingering frustrations they want to avoid.

Add to this too the fact that the contemporary church really itself doesn’t have a holistic pneumatology, and has essentially ceded the topic of the Spirit to the Pentecostal/charismatic world.

This isn’t true in academic thought, but broadly throughout the church if the Holy Spirit is mentioned or sought, there is an immediate reaction related to opinions on Pentecostalism.

The topic has also been, from this, basically limited to ’spiritual gifts’ or other churchy add-ons rather than a substantive theological topic in its own right.

I did write an emerging pneumatology of sorts titled It’s a Dance: Moving with the Holy Spirit that takes the basic traits of the emerging churches and shows how these are broader, and Scriptural, expressions precisely of the Holy Spirit. An emphasis on Jesus, community, giving, welcoming strangers, participation, non-hierarchical leadership, transformative worship, and creativity are the works of the Spirit in the Bible, going beyond the more exciting emphases focused on in a lot of charismatic communities. To this I also added the emphasis on holiness.

I’m pushing for a more substantive study in this direction, presenting on this same topic in an academic style last year at the Society of Pentecostal Studies conference.

There’s definitely a burgeoning interest from the Pentecostal side, as they see a need to broaden their understanding of the Spirit in a holistic way. But there’s not too much interest yet from the emerging side.

But, I think this is something that emerging church folks are really going to be addressing more and more, especially as the movement matures and begins to produce more overall theological reflection.

Before posting this note I read about the accident in your family. I pray there is substantive healing–physical and emotional–and substantive answers to the needs this provokes.

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-37796 Dan Edelen Mon, 12 May 2008 04:12:55 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-37796 Bob, What church is that? Bob,

What church is that?

]]> By: Bob Longman http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-37776 Bob Longman Sun, 11 May 2008 14:01:07 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/03/the-holy-who.html#comment-37776 Wow. Great stuff! I come from a church segment where the Holy Spirit is used as a prop for whatever their political or sociological action is. "Change!!" they say. The Spirit is there behind much change -- but not all, or even most. One of the questions of the day is how to know when such change is really powered by the Holy Spirit. I suspect that the answer lies with our relationship to Jesus, and to our fellow believers (where the Spirit is even when not noticed). Wow. Great stuff!

I come from a church segment where the Holy Spirit is used as a prop for whatever their political or sociological action is. “Change!!” they say. The Spirit is there behind much change — but not all, or even most. One of the questions of the day is how to know when such change is really powered by the Holy Spirit. I suspect that the answer lies with our relationship to Jesus, and to our fellow believers (where the Spirit is even when not noticed).

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