<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: How to Disciple?</title> <atom:link href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html</link> <description>Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:03:38 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Alan Knox</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31130</link> <dc:creator>Alan Knox</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31130</guid> <description>George,You asked: &quot; I&#039;m curious if Alan also invites people he wants to disciple, even if they haven&#039;t applied.&quot; Yep.-Alan</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p><p>You asked: &#8221; I&#8217;m curious if Alan also invites people he wants to disciple, even if they haven&#8217;t applied.&#8221; Yep.</p><p>-Alan</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: George</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31111</link> <dc:creator>George</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31111</guid> <description>Thanks to all who have commented on ways to effective discipleship.  Cheryl started off with what worked &lt;i&gt; on &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; her, and Alan described beautifully from the flip side about what worked &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; from &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; him.  Then Sarah endorsed Alan&#039;s experience  with her own.  Dan added multiple insights, all helpful as usual.  Even those who struggled with what we can contribute to discipling stimulated responses from others who have (or perhaps can express) a clearer perception.Jerald touched on an issue that didn&#039;t seem to get much attention here.  He wrote:  &quot;I&#039;d love to see the folks at my church getting out of the house ... handing out water at the local park just so they could have someone to invite over to their home to talk about Jesus. Wouldn&#039;t it be great if we didn&#039;t have all that comfortable stuff inside our houses that makes us stay in so much.&quot;  How do we encourage discipleship among disciplees?Alan mentioned what he does with people asking to be discipled.  I&#039;m curious if Alan also invites people he wants to disciple, even if they haven&#039;t applied.I&#039;m guessing that Cheryl might say, &quot;Well, a disciplee (is this a word?) needs to know they want discipling.  When they want it, they&#039;ll seek to hang out with disciplers, or at least people they want to be discipled by.   And maybe that&#039;s enough.  Still, Jesus&#039; disciples were not all volunteers.I believe there&#039;s a place for encouragement, especially for people not so aware as Cheryl -- for the people Jerald would love to see passing out water.One approach we&#039;ve used is to organize those opportunities.  Start small -- do one thing to build confidence/acceptance of your church.  Maybe reverse-disciple an elder first -- ask him to accompany you to the park to hand out water as you do so on behalf of Christ.  (While you are asking him to come to support or guide you, most likely you&#039;ll be showing him what he can do.)  Then get agreement from the church to endorse a sign-up table for a few others to join you next time.  Eventually you can expand into evangelism by letting someone in your group watch you in action, then inviting him to lead it himself.True, as someone wrote, Jesus didn&#039;t leave His disciples to stand alone (even filled with the Spirit) until after 3 years of exposure.  However, He did send them on trial runs as teams of advance men on His way to Jerusalem.  This was well before the third year, as I recall.What makes discipleship so hard, someone asked?  And others gave the answer:  succumbing to the comforts of home, being content with just keeping the friends we already have, and the evangelical culture&#039;s preference for sermons and evangelizing.  So the answer to why is discipling hard is:  it&#039;s easier to satisfy us and them than it is to satisfy Him.  That&#039;s our challenge.&lt;/i&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all who have commented on ways to effective discipleship.  Cheryl started off with what worked <i> on </i><i> her, and Alan described beautifully from the flip side about what worked </i><i> from </i><i> him.  Then Sarah endorsed Alan&#8217;s experience  with her own.  Dan added multiple insights, all helpful as usual.  Even those who struggled with what we can contribute to discipling stimulated responses from others who have (or perhaps can express) a clearer perception.</p><p>Jerald touched on an issue that didn&#8217;t seem to get much attention here.  He wrote:  &#8220;I&#8217;d love to see the folks at my church getting out of the house &#8230; handing out water at the local park just so they could have someone to invite over to their home to talk about Jesus. Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if we didn&#8217;t have all that comfortable stuff inside our houses that makes us stay in so much.&#8221;  How do we encourage discipleship among disciplees?</p><p>Alan mentioned what he does with people asking to be discipled.  I&#8217;m curious if Alan also invites people he wants to disciple, even if they haven&#8217;t applied.</p><p>I&#8217;m guessing that Cheryl might say, &#8220;Well, a disciplee (is this a word?) needs to know they want discipling.  When they want it, they&#8217;ll seek to hang out with disciplers, or at least people they want to be discipled by.   And maybe that&#8217;s enough.  Still, Jesus&#8217; disciples were not all volunteers.</p><p>I believe there&#8217;s a place for encouragement, especially for people not so aware as Cheryl &#8212; for the people Jerald would love to see passing out water.</p><p>One approach we&#8217;ve used is to organize those opportunities.  Start small &#8212; do one thing to build confidence/acceptance of your church.  Maybe reverse-disciple an elder first &#8212; ask him to accompany you to the park to hand out water as you do so on behalf of Christ.  (While you are asking him to come to support or guide you, most likely you&#8217;ll be showing him what he can do.)  Then get agreement from the church to endorse a sign-up table for a few others to join you next time.  Eventually you can expand into evangelism by letting someone in your group watch you in action, then inviting him to lead it himself.</p><p>True, as someone wrote, Jesus didn&#8217;t leave His disciples to stand alone (even filled with the Spirit) until after 3 years of exposure.  However, He did send them on trial runs as teams of advance men on His way to Jerusalem.  This was well before the third year, as I recall.</p><p>What makes discipleship so hard, someone asked?  And others gave the answer:  succumbing to the comforts of home, being content with just keeping the friends we already have, and the evangelical culture&#8217;s preference for sermons and evangelizing.  So the answer to why is discipling hard is:  it&#8217;s easier to satisfy us and them than it is to satisfy Him.  That&#8217;s our challenge.</i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amy Heague</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31098</link> <dc:creator>Amy Heague</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:53:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/how-to-disciple.html#comment-31098</guid> <description>I have been reading &amp; re-reading this post &amp; the comments &amp; I  thought; &quot;hmmmm I think I have something to add to this, but I think I will ponder it some more so that I am more eloquent in my reply&quot;. Then while sipping my coffee &amp; flicking through my diary I stumbled upon this quote:&quot;Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be; be one.&quot; -Marcus Aurelius-Perhaps we could replace the word man with disciple; &quot;Waste no more time arguing what a good disciple should be; be one.&quot;So...I&#039;m off to get ready to be inundated by a bunch of twenty somethings that call my place &quot;home&quot; &amp; do what I do best. Love&#039;m, feed&#039;em, pray with them, discuss &amp; learn with them, love God with them, then we will probably do something crazy like watch some Dr Who re-runs with them whilst eating lots of dark chocolate &amp; potato chips, &amp; discuss the ups &amp; downs of  life.P.S Dan thanks for your always a little provocative blog, I love it</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading &amp; re-reading this post &amp; the comments &amp; I  thought; &#8220;hmmmm I think I have something to add to this, but I think I will ponder it some more so that I am more eloquent in my reply&#8221;.<br /> Then while sipping my coffee &amp; flicking through my diary I stumbled upon this quote:</p><p>&#8220;Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be; be one.&#8221;<br /> -Marcus Aurelius-</p><p>Perhaps we could replace the word man with disciple;<br /> &#8220;Waste no more time arguing what a good disciple should be; be one.&#8221;</p><p>So&#8230;</p><p>I&#8217;m off to get ready to be inundated by a bunch of twenty somethings that call my place &#8220;home&#8221; &amp; do what I do best. Love&#8217;m, feed&#8217;em, pray with them, discuss &amp; learn with them, love God with them, then we will probably do something crazy like watch some<br /> Dr Who re-runs with them whilst eating lots of dark chocolate &amp; potato chips, &amp; discuss the ups &amp; downs of  life.</p><p>P.S Dan thanks for your always a little provocative blog, I love it</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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