Comments on: Jobs, Networking, and the Church http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:14:16 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sallie’s Stack » Stressed Children, Computer Love, Betsy-Tacy Books, Jobs and the Church, and the Wonder of Nature http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31308 Sallie’s Stack » Stressed Children, Computer Love, Betsy-Tacy Books, Jobs and the Church, and the Wonder of Nature Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:36:56 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31308 [...] Jobs, Networking and the Church from Cerulean Sanctum [...]

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]]> By: jfn http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31241 jfn Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:52:48 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31241 Exactly Dan, The ever present voices of the "other people" are often the source of our greatest barriers to discipleship. Outside of the box is the only way we can minister in a world that seeks redemption through an attitude of "out of sight, out of mind" Thank you for being willing to challenge each of us, and to serve the Lord as you do. You are indeed a great blessing to each of us, and I daily thank God for you and your ministry! Shalom! Exactly Dan,
The ever present voices of the “other people” are often the source of our greatest barriers to discipleship. Outside of the box is the only way we can minister in a world that seeks redemption through an attitude of “out of sight, out of mind”

Thank you for being willing to challenge each of us, and to serve the Lord as you do. You are indeed a great blessing to each of us, and I daily thank God for you and your ministry!

Shalom!

]]> By: lewsta http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31236 lewsta Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:24:49 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31236 Yes, this business you describe IS a sad indictment of those who do it. What to do? How about those who ARE gainfully employed begin to noise about that we are willing and available for those who might need help in finding work...AND confronting (in grace, to be sure) those in leadership who would have this swept under the carpet. I know of one hispanic church in a large city (not in California) whose leadership used this very issue to reach out into the community of unchurched and struggling 'hermanos". They held clinics, broadly publicised, for things like "we'll help you get your driving license", "we'll help you learn english", "we'll help you get your Green Card", "now you've got your Green Card, we'll help you get work or start a business", "we'll help you in your marriage and family life". The impact they've made on the local hispanic community in a few short years is astounding...the one on one times they've had with struggling people, doubly so being of a foreign culture, and the growth they've seen in their church (and now, a new plant as well) has been heartening. No, they're not preaching the "social gospel", nor a prosperity lie. They preach Christ crucified....whilst reaching out with practical help to those in need. Every one of them has come through that trial, coming to this country from Latin America and stumbling about to find their way, so they act from their own experience. Far more effective than fussing over inane things like music styles, children's church, colour of the carpet in the foyer. They are relevant in very needful, practical ways.....and do you suppose those whom they help are able to trust them when they are also relevant in regards the deeper, eternal aspects of life? While members and shepherds in other churches shun their own sheep for having struggles? Which sort are BEING salt, light, balm? dan, this is spot on. Yes, this business you describe IS a sad indictment of those who do it. What to do? How about those who ARE gainfully employed begin to noise about that we are willing and available for those who might need help in finding work…AND confronting (in grace, to be sure) those in leadership who would have this swept under the carpet. I know of one hispanic church in a large city (not in California) whose leadership used this very issue to reach out into the community of unchurched and struggling ‘hermanos”. They held clinics, broadly publicised, for things like “we’ll help you get your driving license”, “we’ll help you learn english”, “we’ll help you get your Green Card”, “now you’ve got your Green Card, we’ll help you get work or start a business”, “we’ll help you in your marriage and family life”. The impact they’ve made on the local hispanic community in a few short years is astounding…the one on one times they’ve had with struggling people, doubly so being of a foreign culture, and the growth they’ve seen in their church (and now, a new plant as well) has been heartening. No, they’re not preaching the “social gospel”, nor a prosperity lie. They preach Christ crucified….whilst reaching out with practical help to those in need. Every one of them has come through that trial, coming to this country from Latin America and stumbling about to find their way, so they act from their own experience. Far more effective than fussing over inane things like music styles, children’s church, colour of the carpet in the foyer. They are relevant in very needful, practical ways…..and do you suppose those whom they help are able to trust them when they are also relevant in regards the deeper, eternal aspects of life? While members and shepherds in other churches shun their own sheep for having struggles? Which sort are BEING salt, light, balm? dan, this is spot on.

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31232 Dan Edelen Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:42:26 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/10/jobs-networking-and-the-church.html#comment-31232 Glenn, We're on the same wavelength. Long-term sickness DOES cause others to fall into a malaise of caring. In that case, it's fear of one's own mortality and the sheer amount of emotional energy it takes to consistently support those who are ill over years. Our church has a young man named Patrick who suffered a massive head injury on the job. He's trapped in his own damaged body now, but we continue to pray for healing. It's been tough on the church, but people have not abandoned Pat's family. Pat nearly died about a dozen times since his injury (the hospital, on receiving him after the accident, said he was a lost cause), but he's very gradually improving. That's a joy to see and we need to be satisfied with even tiny gains. Glenn,

We’re on the same wavelength. Long-term sickness DOES cause others to fall into a malaise of caring. In that case, it’s fear of one’s own mortality and the sheer amount of emotional energy it takes to consistently support those who are ill over years.

Our church has a young man named Patrick who suffered a massive head injury on the job. He’s trapped in his own damaged body now, but we continue to pray for healing. It’s been tough on the church, but people have not abandoned Pat’s family. Pat nearly died about a dozen times since his injury (the hospital, on receiving him after the accident, said he was a lost cause), but he’s very gradually improving. That’s a joy to see and we need to be satisfied with even tiny gains.

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