Comments on: A Bag Full of Wet Tribbles http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:23:35 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jonathan http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32083 Jonathan Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:44:38 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32083 Johann, easy with the blanket statements. In my twenty years of life, I've moved eight times; close to once every two years. My parents' (and mine, in more recent years) financial situation has been in constant flux, but mostly dirt poor. And yet, me and my six siblings' education has never suffered. At 20, I already have a BA and am working towards a second. Pretty much the same story with my older siblings. Our home life has never been "stable" (except in the Love of Christ) and yet we're all well educated, intellectual, and advocates of true, constant, and never ending learning. Also of note, Dan, is that my dad isn't what would be considered a well educated man. My mom is more so, but still not highly intellectual. Yet, both of them have always put a very high value on education and passed that value onto us. I'd say that's been the real key. We seek education because we've learned the true value of it. That concept of value came from our parents. My thoughts at least, Jonathan Johann, easy with the blanket statements. In my twenty years of life, I’ve moved eight times; close to once every two years. My parents’ (and mine, in more recent years) financial situation has been in constant flux, but mostly dirt poor.

And yet, me and my six siblings’ education has never suffered. At 20, I already have a BA and am working towards a second. Pretty much the same story with my older siblings. Our home life has never been “stable” (except in the Love of Christ) and yet we’re all well educated, intellectual, and advocates of true, constant, and never ending learning.

Also of note, Dan, is that my dad isn’t what would be considered a well educated man. My mom is more so, but still not highly intellectual. Yet, both of them have always put a very high value on education and passed that value onto us. I’d say that’s been the real key. We seek education because we’ve learned the true value of it. That concept of value came from our parents.

My thoughts at least,
Jonathan

]]> By: Wolfgang Amadeus http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32054 Wolfgang Amadeus Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:09:21 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32054 Better yet- I had a master who once told me that the problem is that I needed to learn how to practice. Like studying, practicing is the key. If your teachers cannot relay that message to you, in a way that is understandable, then, how are you going to progress? As for education to achieve a better salery. If this was still a manufacturing based economy, I would go with that. It isn't however. Now that the Demming methode has basically taken over the world, and most companies-from cars to candy bars, are offloading to Mexico,as well as China, having that great education to push a button, is history. The concept of a Career died in the nineties. World Class Competivness, and all the other things that go with it, have made our industrial workers into Nomads. You cannot buy a house, expect to raise a family, when you work for a company that offloads its emplyees every five years or so- or even better, offloads them permanantly. Its a nomad life now- a person will have more than one career throughout their working life. Its not the forties and fifties anymore. How can a child recieve an education (edumecation) if their parents move every so often, become unemployed, have no finances, lose their home, etceter and et & al? Children need stability in order to be successful. The society we have created, with dysfunctional families, drugs, lack of education, lack of employment, lack of health care..lack of church, is destroying us- I believe IMHOP. This down hill sprial will not stop- unless we put a stop to it. Blessings, Johann Better yet- I had a master who once told me that the problem is that I needed to learn how to practice.

Like studying, practicing is the key. If your teachers cannot relay that message to you, in a way that is understandable, then, how are you going to progress?

As for education to achieve a better salery. If this was still a manufacturing based economy, I would go with that. It isn’t however. Now that the Demming methode has basically taken over the world, and most companies-from cars to candy bars, are offloading to Mexico,as well as China, having that great education to push a button, is history. The concept of a Career died in the nineties. World Class Competivness, and all the other things that go with it, have made our industrial workers into Nomads. You cannot buy a house, expect to raise a family, when you work for a company that offloads its emplyees every five years or so- or even better, offloads them permanantly. Its a nomad life now- a person will have more than one career throughout their working life. Its not the forties and fifties anymore.

How can a child recieve an education (edumecation) if their parents move every so often, become unemployed, have no finances, lose their home, etceter and et & al?

Children need stability in order to be successful. The society we have created, with dysfunctional families, drugs, lack of education, lack of employment, lack of health care..lack of church, is destroying us- I believe IMHOP.

This down hill sprial will not stop- unless we put a stop to it.

Blessings,
Johann

]]> By: Wolfgang Amadeus http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32053 Wolfgang Amadeus Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:59:59 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32053 Leta- I am saying this rather - ah, as a devils advocate. How do you know we ARE NOT getting more ignorant as time passes. Just look at our track record. IF we were smart- then, trying to create another man, and foresakeing the Lord, wouldn't be an issue. Just a thought. :) Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgang Leta-
I am saying this rather – ah, as a devils advocate. How do you know we ARE NOT getting more ignorant as time passes. Just look at our track record. IF we were smart- then, trying to create another man, and foresakeing the Lord, wouldn’t be an issue.

Just a thought. :)

Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgang

]]> By: Wolfgang Amadeus http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32052 Wolfgang Amadeus Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:56:21 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/a-bag-full-of-wet-tribbles.html#comment-32052 Dan, I understand your point, totally. Children here are just not reared in a way that applies to that. According to Rousseau, a young boy- around thirteen, should start to learn a profession. In the 18th century, that didn't necessarily mean that the child picked it. Even Benj. Franklin studied under an apprenticeship. Children are spoiled here. Totally. In the last hundred years, since the advent of Child Labor Laws, children have been allowed to really live an easy life- even if it was on a farm. Upon immigration here, I had to go to a very disciplined Prep school. Some of it was due to behavior- and the rest was due to the fact I needed to prepare for a citizanship test, and also to learn to socialize in an American setting. I found that my peers were very undisciplined. School was very hard- and I had to spend alot of time with tutors. I knew what I wanted to do with myself- that wasn't the problem. The school programme wasn't set up to help me train for that-but it was set up to teach me useless knowledge. Boredom reigned supreme- and I guess that is part of the reason I was disciplined- alot. The principle and I used to go skiing together....that aught to tell you something. :P Anyway- kids here really don't realize what they have going for themselves. If you ask them to really study- do two hours of homework for one hour of lecture, and they think they are put-upon. Their parents think you are nuts for even asking them to really learn something. Belive me, I have heard it all. If its fun, and easy, then they will do it. If its hard, and requires something from deep inside of themselves- then, forget it. Its a real sad statement as far as I am concerned. I have a student- who I have asked for three weeks to bring their theory work in - still hasn't brought it in. Translated: hasn't cracked the book to look at it. He also has to do a simple Harmony exercise in his piano book to a Garth Brooks piece called "The River". That was assigned last week. It takes about five minutes to do. Still not done. He will play the pieces that excite him- but other things seem to need to be done during the lesson. Frankly- the lesson should be devoted to something new-instead of doing the prior weeks work. The parents don't reinforce what is necessary for the child to learn. This shows you the difference between how I was taught (German discipline) versus American discipline- if indeed there is such a thing. I am sorry about your career choice not working out as you had dreamed it should. Sometimes, I find the concept of artifical intellegence-in relation to computers, to be a scarey enterprise. Once we tried to build a staircase to the heavenly father- and now, we are trying to unravel his secrets and create a new man. Why is it- I think we will fail at that? Blessings, Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgang Dan,
I understand your point, totally. Children here are just not reared in a way that applies to that. According to Rousseau, a young boy- around thirteen, should start to learn a profession. In the 18th century, that didn’t necessarily mean that the child picked it. Even Benj. Franklin studied under an apprenticeship.

Children are spoiled here. Totally. In the last hundred years, since the advent of Child Labor Laws, children have been allowed to really live an easy life- even if it was on a farm.

Upon immigration here, I had to go to a very disciplined Prep school. Some of it was due to behavior- and the rest was due to the fact I needed to prepare for a citizanship test, and also to learn to socialize in an American setting. I found that my peers were very undisciplined. School was very hard- and I had to spend alot of time with tutors. I knew what I wanted to do with myself- that wasn’t the problem. The school programme wasn’t set up to help me train for that-but it was set up to teach me useless knowledge. Boredom reigned supreme- and I guess that is part of the reason I was disciplined- alot. The principle and I used to go skiing together….that aught to tell you something. :P

Anyway- kids here really don’t realize what they have going for themselves. If you ask them to really study- do two hours of homework for one hour of lecture, and they think they are put-upon. Their parents think you are nuts for even asking them to really learn something. Belive me, I have heard it all.

If its fun, and easy, then they will do it. If its hard, and requires something from deep inside of themselves- then, forget it.

Its a real sad statement as far as I am concerned. I have a student- who I have asked for three weeks to bring their theory work in – still hasn’t brought it in. Translated: hasn’t cracked the book to look at it. He also has to do a simple Harmony exercise in his piano book to a Garth Brooks piece called “The River”. That was assigned last week. It takes about five minutes to do. Still not done. He will play the pieces that excite him- but other things seem to need to be done during the lesson. Frankly- the lesson should be devoted to something new-instead of doing the prior weeks work.

The parents don’t reinforce what is necessary for the child to learn. This shows you the difference between how I was taught (German discipline) versus American discipline- if indeed there is such a thing.

I am sorry about your career choice not working out as you had dreamed it should. Sometimes, I find the concept of artifical intellegence-in relation to computers, to be a scarey enterprise. Once we tried to build a staircase to the heavenly father- and now, we are trying to unravel his secrets and create a new man. Why is it- I think we will fail at that?

Blessings,
Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgang

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