Comments on: What the Other Guys Taught Me http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Wolfgang Amadeushttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32507 Wolfgang Amadeus Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:48:58 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32507 Ah Dan- you hit that one on the head. I must confess- as a choir director, composer and other such stuff, we referred to the Mass- as the show, and actually approached it that way. This was in a Cathedral nevertheless. What was sad- is th the people that lived there were not grateful for the effort that was put together for their edification. Most wouldn't even dress like they were entering a Cathedral. I recall, doing the requiem one year, we actually had the Liturgy from the 1790's to do with it, and people showed up for a high mass, in shorts and T-shirts. I found this rather appalling actually. It was a beautiful Mass- even though it was a Mass for the Dead, done in the Composers Honor on his Name day, but, I am sure, that many who attended, didn't have the spiritual feeling that should have been there. Oh well..My current Church-its chapels are bare. There is a beauty in that actually. Outside of the Chapel- there is beautiful Artwork to be seen. But not in the Chapel itself, where the sacrement takes place. The Temple is ornate- and considered very sacred. Having been in very ornate Churches- all my life, you can imagine how this feels. Even Sankt Stephens-with all its statues- some of them Masonic in origen, as big as it is- a Gothic Dom, still- is very ornate. The Reuger Orgel there is tiny in comparison to what I have played- but then, its works are in the high, Gothic roof top above the chor. Its really amazing. Blessings, Wolfgang Ah Dan- you hit that one on the head.

I must confess- as a choir director, composer and other such stuff, we referred to the Mass- as the show, and actually approached it that way. This was in a Cathedral nevertheless. What was sad- is th the people that lived there were not grateful for the effort that was put together for their edification. Most wouldn’t even dress like they were entering a Cathedral. I recall, doing the requiem one year, we actually had the Liturgy from the 1790′s to do with it, and people showed up for a high mass, in shorts and T-shirts. I found this rather appalling actually. It was a beautiful Mass- even though it was a Mass for the Dead, done in the Composers Honor on his Name day, but, I am sure, that many who attended, didn’t have the spiritual feeling that should have been there.

Oh well..My current Church-its chapels are bare. There is a beauty in that actually. Outside of the Chapel- there is beautiful Artwork to be seen. But not in the Chapel itself, where the sacrement takes place. The Temple is ornate- and considered very sacred.

Having been in very ornate Churches- all my life, you can imagine how this feels.

Even Sankt Stephens-with all its statues- some of them Masonic in origen, as big as it is- a Gothic Dom, still- is very ornate. The Reuger Orgel there is tiny in comparison to what I have played- but then, its works are in the high, Gothic roof top above the chor. Its really amazing.

Blessings,
Wolfgang

]]> By: Wolfgang Amadeushttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32506 Wolfgang Amadeus Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:39:39 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32506 Dan, What exposure I have had of the Lutheran Church (roughly a year) was really very good. They are a good people-very warm and caring. A lot more so than the church I am baptized in! ARGGHGHH. Oh well.... The family faith.. wasn't trusted in 1782, and still isn't worth trusting. I think, that perhaps I have found a place for myself now. And that is good. I won't have to sneak around, due to my Theosophical viewpoints and beliefs, so that is cool. Have a great Shabbat Dan! Blessings, Wolfgang Dan,
What exposure I have had of the Lutheran Church (roughly a year) was really very good. They are a good people-very warm and caring.

A lot more so than the church I am baptized in! ARGGHGHH.

Oh well…. The family faith.. wasn’t trusted in 1782, and still isn’t worth trusting.

I think, that perhaps I have found a place for myself now. And that is good. I won’t have to sneak around, due to my Theosophical viewpoints and beliefs, so that is cool.

Have a great Shabbat Dan!

Blessings,
Wolfgang

]]> By: Georgehttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32492 George Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:32:34 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/11/what-the-other-guys-taught-me.html#comment-32492 While Ravenhill provides some wise insights, "wordplay" like "religious abominations" is not among them. That just doesn't help us to love one another. On the other hand, Dan, your openness to other and conflicting perceptions is a great encouragement to those of us who strive to take Christ seriously. As you are blessed, we are blessed as well. No church, no denomination, no Christian will have a perfect theology. Everyone will have some erroneous understandings. If Paul admitted to seeing thru a darkened glass, we should be expected to mistake some concepts as well. But then, knowing and following Christ is more action than science. While it may be important to rid the church of error, we should recognize first that the second greatest error is failure to love one another. While Ravenhill provides some wise insights, “wordplay” like “religious abominations” is not among them. That just doesn’t help us to love one another. On the other hand, Dan, your openness to other and conflicting perceptions is a great encouragement to those of us who strive to take Christ seriously. As you are blessed, we are blessed as well.

No church, no denomination, no Christian will have a perfect theology. Everyone will have some erroneous understandings. If Paul admitted to seeing thru a darkened glass, we should be expected to mistake some concepts as well. But then, knowing and following Christ is more action than science.

While it may be important to rid the church of error, we should recognize first that the second greatest error is failure to love one another.

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