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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Andrew believes in Angel Emma? gold star dust too? hmmm I dont&#039; need to debate this one. I prayed about it.. I am at peace :) I know one thing is that many will come and perform miraculous signs and even deceive the elect - if that were possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Andrew believes in Angel Emma? gold star dust too? hmmm I dont&#8217; need to debate this one. I prayed about it.. I am at peace <img src='http://ceruleansanctum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know one thing is that many will come and perform miraculous signs and even deceive the elect &#8211; if that were possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Chidolue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike Chidolue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY RESPONSE TO A CRITIC OF SUCH MOVES OF GOD.

Hi Andrew Storm, please were you at anytime a practicing member of the New Age Movement &amp; did you ever use or study the said New Age Handbook that you have so readily quote? Your jaundiced position and that of your fellow traveler on Tod Bentley and the Florida Revival is akin to the same position taken by the Pharisees when they witnessed the manifestations of Jesus Christ. Their informed response or interpretation of the healings &amp; testimonies following Christ&#039; ministry was that He is demonized &amp; the miracles were an offshoot of his satanic roots. However when the Samaritan woman, was told about her life, she responded by saying, that Christ Must have the Spirit of God in Him, for no man could know her life&#039;s story except if God revealed them to that person. This is a woman that supposedly has no root in Abraham!

Andrew Storm, &amp; all the nay sayers, please stay at home and criticize what&#039;s happening in Florida as a sure sign of your deeming sight (ELI&#039;s Lights Out Annointing). Use biblical passages to prove that Tod &amp; all the people of God pressing in are in error, not surprising, Satan also used the bible during the temptation...&quot;for it is written, He shall give His angels guard over you...&quot;

Another traveler said that God only speaks via his Word as seen in the bible, but he spoke from heaven during the transfiguration saying ...&quot;this is my beloved son...&quot; and before then, there was no record of that word in the Torah. The New Testament testifies about the word &amp; the laws God gave in the Torah.

Rev Fredrick from NC, the Holy Spirit is neither a feeling nor a falling, and the Holy Spirit can manifest any how, and in anyway, as fire, as electric shock, as whatever. You may not even feel a thing, though the woman with the issue of blood &quot;felt in herself&quot;. If God said lay hands, go right ahead, if He says kick, push, Bam or whatever... once it is God that said it, He will manifest Himself in the action!

Why on earth do you guys, pastors, disciples &amp; whatever name/title you all go by, find it hard to understand and accept the ministry of angels? Paul said ...&quot;for an angel of God spoke to me during the night...&quot;, and an angel assisted Peter out of prison, angels were present during Jesus&#039; ministry on earth (back in the day). Angels, have names, God has a name, and He revealed his name to us, He also told us the name of His Son- Christ, and some prophets and judges in the Torah (principally Moses) gave us the names of some angels: Gabriel, Michael... so what is the problem if a minister of God, says to us that an angel appeared to him to commission the work given to him, and the Angel identified himself by name EMMA? Why do you have to rush into the New Age handbook, or Buddhist handbook, or Mormon handbook, or the Koran, to compare if there have been any mention of a similar name among them. Why not go further and compare the name Gabriel &amp; Michael to the angels mentioned in these religions &amp; shout Nay! Moses and co lied about Gabriel, or is MOSES and co greater than God in us? An angel went before Joshua, and God PROMISED to send his angels before us during our ministry... &quot;don&#039;t say b4 my angel that you did it or said it in error&quot; Which angel is God referring to?
That you have had no such experience does not invalidate the experiences of other sons of God whose hearts are perfect before him. If not then DON`T BREATHE WHAT YOU CAN`T SEE!!!

Ministries are like salvation, it is to be received or rejected. However, your rejection of it does not nullify its effectiveness. What you desire in God will be communicated to you by God through human vessels primarily: God may chose to deal directly to you through other means, HE IS GOD &amp; THERE IS NO OTHER!

To Tod, He visited in one way, &amp; to Peter Wagner, He dealt differently, and to you Andrew Storm, His dealings with you can be likened to the &#039;man with the measuring rod&#039;... &#039; ...and he measured again another 1000cubit foot, and said &quot;come hither&quot;... 
So my question to you is, How far can you go? Can you walk a thousand cubit foot into the supernatural with God or with His angel? 

Whatever happened to the &quot;eyes have not seen nor ears heard&quot; promises of Christ. My wife introduced Tod Bentley ministry into our home; and I took the Pharisee position on Tod&#039;s ministry, and viewed him with mixed feeling/opinion. I was of course careful not to wrongly judge him. Several salient issues befuddled my mind, for one, tattoo ministers were not common place, and this Jean &amp; T-shirt thing in the pulpit was equally different, so I folded my hand &amp; watched. The same way you guys are watching, but wrongfully judging the oil upon the life &amp; ministry of this servant of God, judging another man&#039;s servant.

Some of us religiously claim to rather follow God and never man, well for your information, Paul commanded his listeners to &#039;be ye followers of me, just like I follow Christ&#039;  Yes it is true that you are ultimately a God chaser, HOWEVER,  there are leadership God has raised in midst of you, so follow them. THEY SHALL NOT BREAK THEIR RANKS, THERE ARE NO INDEPENDENTS IN THIS GOD&#039;S BUSINESS, YOU ARE EITHER A REPUBLICAN, OR A DEMOCRAT (excuse my French).

The Israelites had the Torah, BUT God also gave them Judges, they read the Torah diligently, but God still went ahead to institute &amp; ordain the Levetical priesthood.
This can be explained as &#039;the focus of the foci&#039;, meaning that as you follow God reading His Torah, God is equally raising governmental authorities in the midst of you, that will teach, help you discern more accurately, prophesy for a release of faith, plant, pull down and establish patterns. (!)

This brings us to &#8224;˜the eyes have not seen, many sided wisdom of God&#039;.  The fact that we have no account of such experience in the bible does not invalidate the out working of the spirit of God. We must come to terms with the truth that there are mantles in Heaven whose operation has NEVER been witnessed on planet earth! Of course we saw in revelation that the four horse men are still going to ride. That&#039;s a strange mantle, never before seen, and never again after that.  The book of Joel described such movement as...&quot;the like of whom has never been; nor will there ever be any such after them, even for many successive generation...&quot;!!

So guys open your ridiculous little minds up, and get ready for more challenging encounters by God. Get ready for new moves of God that will make you a lot more bitter &amp; critical or make a believer out of you.
I now whole heartedly believe that Tod Bentley is a fundamentally intrinsic part of this new wave ...they do not break ranks, they do not push one another, everyone marches in his own column...before them... the stars diminish their brightness...&quot;!!! (who are these stars that are diminishing?)
That&#039;s were we are now, the end time army, a strange army, a regimented army, men that has hungered and thirsted after righteousness, and their hunger has birthed several other hungry disciples globally. 
Tod is hungry &amp; thirsty, Tod and his fellow travelers are pushing into strange things in righteousness, stuff some of us have not really seen, but have only heard about.

In conclusion, remember Christ admonition to his disciples: Mat 10:24-25 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household (e.g. Tod Bentley)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY RESPONSE TO A CRITIC OF SUCH MOVES OF GOD.</p>
<p>Hi Andrew Storm, please were you at anytime a practicing member of the New Age Movement &amp; did you ever use or study the said New Age Handbook that you have so readily quote? Your jaundiced position and that of your fellow traveler on Tod Bentley and the Florida Revival is akin to the same position taken by the Pharisees when they witnessed the manifestations of Jesus Christ. Their informed response or interpretation of the healings &amp; testimonies following Christ&#8217; ministry was that He is demonized &amp; the miracles were an offshoot of his satanic roots. However when the Samaritan woman, was told about her life, she responded by saying, that Christ Must have the Spirit of God in Him, for no man could know her life&#8217;s story except if God revealed them to that person. This is a woman that supposedly has no root in Abraham!</p>
<p>Andrew Storm, &amp; all the nay sayers, please stay at home and criticize what&#8217;s happening in Florida as a sure sign of your deeming sight (ELI&#8217;s Lights Out Annointing). Use biblical passages to prove that Tod &amp; all the people of God pressing in are in error, not surprising, Satan also used the bible during the temptation&#8230;&#8221;for it is written, He shall give His angels guard over you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Another traveler said that God only speaks via his Word as seen in the bible, but he spoke from heaven during the transfiguration saying &#8230;&#8221;this is my beloved son&#8230;&#8221; and before then, there was no record of that word in the Torah. The New Testament testifies about the word &amp; the laws God gave in the Torah.</p>
<p>Rev Fredrick from NC, the Holy Spirit is neither a feeling nor a falling, and the Holy Spirit can manifest any how, and in anyway, as fire, as electric shock, as whatever. You may not even feel a thing, though the woman with the issue of blood &#8220;felt in herself&#8221;. If God said lay hands, go right ahead, if He says kick, push, Bam or whatever&#8230; once it is God that said it, He will manifest Himself in the action!</p>
<p>Why on earth do you guys, pastors, disciples &amp; whatever name/title you all go by, find it hard to understand and accept the ministry of angels? Paul said &#8230;&#8221;for an angel of God spoke to me during the night&#8230;&#8221;, and an angel assisted Peter out of prison, angels were present during Jesus&#8217; ministry on earth (back in the day). Angels, have names, God has a name, and He revealed his name to us, He also told us the name of His Son- Christ, and some prophets and judges in the Torah (principally Moses) gave us the names of some angels: Gabriel, Michael&#8230; so what is the problem if a minister of God, says to us that an angel appeared to him to commission the work given to him, and the Angel identified himself by name EMMA? Why do you have to rush into the New Age handbook, or Buddhist handbook, or Mormon handbook, or the Koran, to compare if there have been any mention of a similar name among them. Why not go further and compare the name Gabriel &amp; Michael to the angels mentioned in these religions &amp; shout Nay! Moses and co lied about Gabriel, or is MOSES and co greater than God in us? An angel went before Joshua, and God PROMISED to send his angels before us during our ministry&#8230; &#8220;don&#8217;t say b4 my angel that you did it or said it in error&#8221; Which angel is God referring to?<br />
That you have had no such experience does not invalidate the experiences of other sons of God whose hearts are perfect before him. If not then DON`T BREATHE WHAT YOU CAN`T SEE!!!</p>
<p>Ministries are like salvation, it is to be received or rejected. However, your rejection of it does not nullify its effectiveness. What you desire in God will be communicated to you by God through human vessels primarily: God may chose to deal directly to you through other means, HE IS GOD &amp; THERE IS NO OTHER!</p>
<p>To Tod, He visited in one way, &amp; to Peter Wagner, He dealt differently, and to you Andrew Storm, His dealings with you can be likened to the &#8216;man with the measuring rod&#8217;&#8230; &#8216; &#8230;and he measured again another 1000cubit foot, and said &#8220;come hither&#8221;&#8230;<br />
So my question to you is, How far can you go? Can you walk a thousand cubit foot into the supernatural with God or with His angel? </p>
<p>Whatever happened to the &#8220;eyes have not seen nor ears heard&#8221; promises of Christ. My wife introduced Tod Bentley ministry into our home; and I took the Pharisee position on Tod&#8217;s ministry, and viewed him with mixed feeling/opinion. I was of course careful not to wrongly judge him. Several salient issues befuddled my mind, for one, tattoo ministers were not common place, and this Jean &amp; T-shirt thing in the pulpit was equally different, so I folded my hand &amp; watched. The same way you guys are watching, but wrongfully judging the oil upon the life &amp; ministry of this servant of God, judging another man&#8217;s servant.</p>
<p>Some of us religiously claim to rather follow God and never man, well for your information, Paul commanded his listeners to &#8216;be ye followers of me, just like I follow Christ&#8217;  Yes it is true that you are ultimately a God chaser, HOWEVER,  there are leadership God has raised in midst of you, so follow them. THEY SHALL NOT BREAK THEIR RANKS, THERE ARE NO INDEPENDENTS IN THIS GOD&#8217;S BUSINESS, YOU ARE EITHER A REPUBLICAN, OR A DEMOCRAT (excuse my French).</p>
<p>The Israelites had the Torah, BUT God also gave them Judges, they read the Torah diligently, but God still went ahead to institute &amp; ordain the Levetical priesthood.<br />
This can be explained as &#8216;the focus of the foci&#8217;, meaning that as you follow God reading His Torah, God is equally raising governmental authorities in the midst of you, that will teach, help you discern more accurately, prophesy for a release of faith, plant, pull down and establish patterns. (!)</p>
<p>This brings us to &#8224;˜the eyes have not seen, many sided wisdom of God&#8217;.  The fact that we have no account of such experience in the bible does not invalidate the out working of the spirit of God. We must come to terms with the truth that there are mantles in Heaven whose operation has NEVER been witnessed on planet earth! Of course we saw in revelation that the four horse men are still going to ride. That&#8217;s a strange mantle, never before seen, and never again after that.  The book of Joel described such movement as&#8230;&#8221;the like of whom has never been; nor will there ever be any such after them, even for many successive generation&#8230;&#8221;!!</p>
<p>So guys open your ridiculous little minds up, and get ready for more challenging encounters by God. Get ready for new moves of God that will make you a lot more bitter &amp; critical or make a believer out of you.<br />
I now whole heartedly believe that Tod Bentley is a fundamentally intrinsic part of this new wave &#8230;they do not break ranks, they do not push one another, everyone marches in his own column&#8230;before them&#8230; the stars diminish their brightness&#8230;&#8221;!!! (who are these stars that are diminishing?)<br />
That&#8217;s were we are now, the end time army, a strange army, a regimented army, men that has hungered and thirsted after righteousness, and their hunger has birthed several other hungry disciples globally.<br />
Tod is hungry &amp; thirsty, Tod and his fellow travelers are pushing into strange things in righteousness, stuff some of us have not really seen, but have only heard about.</p>
<p>In conclusion, remember Christ admonition to his disciples: Mat 10:24-25 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household (e.g. Tod Bentley)?</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew 7:22
&quot; Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in they name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you;depart from me, ye that work iniquity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew 7:22<br />
&#8221; Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in they name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you;depart from me, ye that work iniquity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken,

I agree.  God laughs at their efforts. I heard on the news a few days ago, that scientists have created a way to &#039;prove&#039; the big bang. These scientists who have spent years studying think they are so clever but in essence, they look foolish! Their plans to prove their cleverness will only prove how shameful they are. So called professors have absolutely no wisdom at all. Those in authority who choose to disregard God and His Might are like the blind leading the blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>I agree.  God laughs at their efforts. I heard on the news a few days ago, that scientists have created a way to &#8216;prove&#8217; the big bang. These scientists who have spent years studying think they are so clever but in essence, they look foolish! Their plans to prove their cleverness will only prove how shameful they are. So called professors have absolutely no wisdom at all. Those in authority who choose to disregard God and His Might are like the blind leading the blind.</p>
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