Comments on: Finding Commitment in a Disposable Age http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/finding-commitment-in-a-disposable-age.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Christopher Lakehttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/finding-commitment-in-a-disposable-age.html#comment-40593 Christopher Lake Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:17:53 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=910#comment-40593 Hans, you write that the matter of whether or not Jack Lee is a Christian is "quite irrelevant; what counts is the Godly living." This is works-based righteousness, which will not save anyone from God's holy and just wrath against sin. We must have a personal faith (trust) in Jesus Christ, who lived the perfectly Godly life that we never could (as we are sinners) and who died in our place, so that we who trust in Him are now reconciled to God. Now, out of this trust in Jesus, we do desire to live a Godly life that will glorify Him before a lost world. If a person does not even trust and follow the true God though, that person does not lead a "Godly" life. It may be a "decent and moral" life, by certain societal standards (which are often taken from Christian morality), but it is not a Godly life, because it is not a life lived out of love for, and submission to, the true and living God. Hans, you write that the matter of whether or not Jack Lee is a Christian is “quite irrelevant; what counts is the Godly living.” This is works-based righteousness, which will not save anyone from God’s holy and just wrath against sin. We must have a personal faith (trust) in Jesus Christ, who lived the perfectly Godly life that we never could (as we are sinners) and who died in our place, so that we who trust in Him are now reconciled to God. Now, out of this trust in Jesus, we do desire to live a Godly life that will glorify Him before a lost world. If a person does not even trust and follow the true God though, that person does not lead a “Godly” life. It may be a “decent and moral” life, by certain societal standards (which are often taken from Christian morality), but it is not a Godly life, because it is not a life lived out of love for, and submission to, the true and living God.

]]> By: Kenhttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/finding-commitment-in-a-disposable-age.html#comment-40522 Ken Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:29:46 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=910#comment-40522 <i>What happens when a third of the people in a church are out of work? What happens when your bank fails and FDIC can't cover the loss? What happens when you lose your home?</i> A lot of Christians figure it'll never happen because Christ will return and beam them up before anything bad could possibly happen to THEM. (You know the type; all 22 volumes of <i>Left Behind</i> and everything Hal Lindsay ever wrote covered with margin notes. Somehow, I don't think that's what Larry Norman had in mind when he wrote "Only Visiting This Planet".) What happens when a third of the people in a church are out of work? What happens when your bank fails and FDIC can’t cover the loss? What happens when you lose your home?

A lot of Christians figure it’ll never happen because Christ will return and beam them up before anything bad could possibly happen to THEM. (You know the type; all 22 volumes of Left Behind and everything Hal Lindsay ever wrote covered with margin notes. Somehow, I don’t think that’s what Larry Norman had in mind when he wrote “Only Visiting This Planet”.)

]]> By: hanshttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/finding-commitment-in-a-disposable-age.html#comment-40463 hans Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:50:47 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=910#comment-40463 I hear you George, but let me testify to this that most if not all my experiences with the Holy Spirits power involved my being outside my comfort zone, but boy is it ever worth it, and after a few experiences, comfortable starts to feel kinda yucky and dirty after a bit and the hunger for another starts to grow It's been my experience ( and others I know ) that for Spiritual growth the comfort zones must and will be challenged, but more than anything it's the comfort zones of the mind, and when entered into willingly the harvest is peace rather that discomfort Back to my comment above and your reply,I too would like to see a post and have discussion on it I hear you George, but let me testify to this that most if not all my experiences with the Holy Spirits power involved my being outside my comfort zone, but boy is it ever worth it, and after a few experiences, comfortable starts to feel kinda yucky and dirty after a bit and the hunger for another starts to grow

It’s been my experience ( and others I know ) that for Spiritual growth the comfort zones must and will be challenged, but more than anything it’s the comfort zones of the mind, and when entered into willingly the harvest is peace rather that discomfort

Back to my comment above and your reply,I too would like to see a post and have discussion on it

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