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	<title>Comments on: Cleansing the Charismatic Crackup, Final Thoughts</title>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-final-thoughts.html#comment-45594</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus asked us to pray, &quot;Your kingdom come, your will be done&quot; above everything else. He didn&#039;t ask us to pray that for fun. If people are satisfied with the things of earth, then that&#039;s what they&#039;ll experience. But if one cannot live without heaven, then heaven will come to the earth. Is it ever God&#039;s will for the Kingdom of God not to invade the earth??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus asked us to pray, &#8220;Your kingdom come, your will be done&#8221; above everything else. He didn&#8217;t ask us to pray that for fun. If people are satisfied with the things of earth, then that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll experience. But if one cannot live without heaven, then heaven will come to the earth. Is it ever God&#8217;s will for the Kingdom of God not to invade the earth??</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-final-thoughts.html#comment-45266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the Scripture to be against God too:

 

John 5:3-4, &quot;In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

 

2) The following are the proves that Angels could perform marvellous wonders:

 

Luke 1:7, &quot;And they had no child, because that Elizabeth was barren and they both were now well stricken in years. Luke 1:13, &quot;but the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for their prayer is heard; and they wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. Luke 1:18, &quot;And Zacharias said unto the angel, &#8224;˜Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my life well stricken in years. Luke 1:19, &quot;And THE ANGEL ANSWERING UNTO HIM, I AM GRABRIEL... Luke 1:20, &quot;AND BEHOLD, THOU SHALL BE DUMB, AND NOT ABLE TO SPEAK, UNTIL THE DAY THAT THESE THINGS SHALL BE PERFORMED, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. Luke 1:22, &quot;And when he came out, HE COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO THEM.

 

Matthews 28:1-2, &quot;Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Many Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And, behold, THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, FOR AN ANGEL OF THE LORD DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, AND ROLLED BACK THE STONE OF THE DOOR, and sat it.

 

Acts 12:23, &quot;Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died.

 

3) Angels could appear in somebody&#039;s dream: 

 

Matthews 2:19, &quot;...an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph...; Matthew 1:20, &quot;...an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream...

 

As angels could perform wonders, are there any strongest proves to show that those wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches are from God? If someone in contemporary Charismatic Church could prove it, we have to accept it. However, if nobody could prove whether the existence of wonder in contemporary Charismatic Churches is from God or the Holy Spirit or Angels, there is a danger that one would comment that certain wonders are from God or from the Holy Spirit or from Jesus Christ and, in case if they are not and it would turn up that we have forced God or Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit to bear the name of doer and indirectly we have abused the name of Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit and this causes us to speak against Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit indirectly.

 

Could contemporary Charismatic Church claim that the miracles and wonder they perform in the name of Jesus Christ, is accompanied by correct teaching (in accordance with God&#039;s Word) and righteous living?

 

A good Christian performs a wonder through the name of Jesus Christ in the Church. Many audiences would claim that this be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit. As fallen angels could perform wonders, i.e. Buddhists could perform wonders as it is listed in the Internet too. What if the wonders in contemporary Charismatic churches are not from God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, the surrounding audience that claims to be the work of the Holy Spirit/God/Jesus Christ, would have indirectly abused the name of each of them even though they might not be the one to do it and it indirectly causes the defamation of the name of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit and they might have grieved as a result of the whole church speaking against them since they might not do it. The abusing of the name of Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit/God would cause the audience to commit continual sins as when and they address these be the work of God.


Can a Christian or a Catholics claim that he has followed the correct teaching and righteous living when day by day and month by month and year by year seeing people keep on claiming the wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit without telling them the danger that they would have sinned against God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit what if the so-called, wonders, might not be their work then?

 

For holy bark, you could see people running around the churches crazily to bark here and there.

 

For Holy laughter, you could see people laugh without stopping.

 

For manifestation of the Spirit, you see people roll from one place to another without knowing what he/she has done after performing.

 

All these are not mentioned in the book of Acts.

 

A number of people in the church mention that they receive revelation from God through words of knowledge, prophecy, tongues speaking, words of wisdom. Many prophets arose previously claimed that year 2000 and 1987 were the end of the world. However, the year before year 2000 and 1987, none of these people that claim to receive so-called, special gifts of the Holy Spirit, say that these years 2000 and 1987 are not the end of the world. If it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit should have informed all these people to correct their mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the Scripture to be against God too:</p>
<p>John 5:3-4, &#8220;In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.</p>
<p>2) The following are the proves that Angels could perform marvellous wonders:</p>
<p>Luke 1:7, &#8220;And they had no child, because that Elizabeth was barren and they both were now well stricken in years. Luke 1:13, &#8220;but the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for their prayer is heard; and they wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. Luke 1:18, &#8220;And Zacharias said unto the angel, &#8224;˜Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my life well stricken in years. Luke 1:19, &#8220;And THE ANGEL ANSWERING UNTO HIM, I AM GRABRIEL&#8230; Luke 1:20, &#8220;AND BEHOLD, THOU SHALL BE DUMB, AND NOT ABLE TO SPEAK, UNTIL THE DAY THAT THESE THINGS SHALL BE PERFORMED, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. Luke 1:22, &#8220;And when he came out, HE COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO THEM.</p>
<p>Matthews 28:1-2, &#8220;Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Many Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And, behold, THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, FOR AN ANGEL OF THE LORD DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, AND ROLLED BACK THE STONE OF THE DOOR, and sat it.</p>
<p>Acts 12:23, &#8220;Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died.</p>
<p>3) Angels could appear in somebody&#8217;s dream: </p>
<p>Matthews 2:19, &#8220;&#8230;an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph&#8230;; Matthew 1:20, &#8220;&#8230;an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream&#8230;</p>
<p>As angels could perform wonders, are there any strongest proves to show that those wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches are from God? If someone in contemporary Charismatic Church could prove it, we have to accept it. However, if nobody could prove whether the existence of wonder in contemporary Charismatic Churches is from God or the Holy Spirit or Angels, there is a danger that one would comment that certain wonders are from God or from the Holy Spirit or from Jesus Christ and, in case if they are not and it would turn up that we have forced God or Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit to bear the name of doer and indirectly we have abused the name of Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit and this causes us to speak against Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit indirectly.</p>
<p>Could contemporary Charismatic Church claim that the miracles and wonder they perform in the name of Jesus Christ, is accompanied by correct teaching (in accordance with God&#8217;s Word) and righteous living?</p>
<p>A good Christian performs a wonder through the name of Jesus Christ in the Church. Many audiences would claim that this be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit. As fallen angels could perform wonders, i.e. Buddhists could perform wonders as it is listed in the Internet too. What if the wonders in contemporary Charismatic churches are not from God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, the surrounding audience that claims to be the work of the Holy Spirit/God/Jesus Christ, would have indirectly abused the name of each of them even though they might not be the one to do it and it indirectly causes the defamation of the name of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit and they might have grieved as a result of the whole church speaking against them since they might not do it. The abusing of the name of Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit/God would cause the audience to commit continual sins as when and they address these be the work of God.</p>
<p>Can a Christian or a Catholics claim that he has followed the correct teaching and righteous living when day by day and month by month and year by year seeing people keep on claiming the wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit without telling them the danger that they would have sinned against God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit what if the so-called, wonders, might not be their work then?</p>
<p>For holy bark, you could see people running around the churches crazily to bark here and there.</p>
<p>For Holy laughter, you could see people laugh without stopping.</p>
<p>For manifestation of the Spirit, you see people roll from one place to another without knowing what he/she has done after performing.</p>
<p>All these are not mentioned in the book of Acts.</p>
<p>A number of people in the church mention that they receive revelation from God through words of knowledge, prophecy, tongues speaking, words of wisdom. Many prophets arose previously claimed that year 2000 and 1987 were the end of the world. However, the year before year 2000 and 1987, none of these people that claim to receive so-called, special gifts of the Holy Spirit, say that these years 2000 and 1987 are not the end of the world. If it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit should have informed all these people to correct their mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sulan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was raised Baptist, and left the church to go out and do my own thing.  Came back to God in 1975, and have been fervently following Him since.  When I came back I was involved in the Charismatic movement.  

Things bothered me --- the one that bothered me the most was them praying a nhedge around their children, who were out sinning like crazy, so that nothing bad would happen to them.

I was a volunteer in the Church office, and one day someone hung this on the bathroom wall.  That was too much for my state of mind that day, so I tore it down and went to find who hung it there.  I did.

My question to her was, &#039;If every morning you get up and pray a hedge around your child, what day will you say God, just deal with my child? What day are you going to just give God free reign in your child&#039;s life?&#039;  I explained the scripture they used for such, was satan telling God that He had put a hedge around Job, not a human doing it.&quot;

Needless to say, I endeared myself to no body.  Truth or not, they had preachers to back up the craziness they wanted to believe; and I was no preacher.

Sometimes it is only when they get out of these churches teaching error, that they see the truth.  The decption of the message, that should be truth, is like arsenic being fed to you, and causes you to be unable to see Jesus and the Godhead as they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised Baptist, and left the church to go out and do my own thing.  Came back to God in 1975, and have been fervently following Him since.  When I came back I was involved in the Charismatic movement.  </p>
<p>Things bothered me &#8212; the one that bothered me the most was them praying a nhedge around their children, who were out sinning like crazy, so that nothing bad would happen to them.</p>
<p>I was a volunteer in the Church office, and one day someone hung this on the bathroom wall.  That was too much for my state of mind that day, so I tore it down and went to find who hung it there.  I did.</p>
<p>My question to her was, &#8216;If every morning you get up and pray a hedge around your child, what day will you say God, just deal with my child? What day are you going to just give God free reign in your child&#8217;s life?&#8217;  I explained the scripture they used for such, was satan telling God that He had put a hedge around Job, not a human doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Needless to say, I endeared myself to no body.  Truth or not, they had preachers to back up the craziness they wanted to believe; and I was no preacher.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is only when they get out of these churches teaching error, that they see the truth.  The decption of the message, that should be truth, is like arsenic being fed to you, and causes you to be unable to see Jesus and the Godhead as they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Double-G (GÂ²)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double-G (GÂ²)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if anyone knew of this---but this was discussed recently in &quot;Morning Star&quot; ministries where Todd Bently&#039;s being restored....( http://msm.us.churchinsight.com/Groups/1000040651/MorningStar_Ministries/Media/VIDEO_Todd_Bentleys/VIDEO_Todd_Bentleys.aspx ). 

Sincerly, some of this stuff bothers me greatly....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if anyone knew of this&#8212;but this was discussed recently in &#8220;Morning Star&#8221; ministries where Todd Bently&#8217;s being restored&#8230;.( <a href="http://msm.us.churchinsight.com/Groups/1000040651/MorningStar_Ministries/Media/VIDEO_Todd_Bentleys/VIDEO_Todd_Bentleys.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://msm.us.churchinsight.co.....tleys.aspx</a> ). </p>
<p>Sincerly, some of this stuff bothers me greatly&#8230;.</p>
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