Comments on: Cleansing the Charismatic Crackup, Part 2 http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-part-2.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:37:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dan Edelenhttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-part-2.html#comment-45231 Dan Edelen Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:46:10 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=980#comment-45231 And yet just as many people who say they are Christians actively resist the Holy Spirit, which is a sin. The truth is to test all gifts and without forbidding them entirely. Forbidding them entirely is not discernment, but a blanket condemnation. I cannot believe that blanket condemnation pleases God in the least. I have said many times on this blog that I believe the charismata to be rarer than most charismatics make them out to be. What I have not said is that they have vanished altogether, because it takes a great amount of textual dancing to make them go away. The clear reading is that they were given to the Church for all time; anything else, I believe, is a tortured reading. And yet just as many people who say they are Christians actively resist the Holy Spirit, which is a sin.

The truth is to test all gifts and without forbidding them entirely. Forbidding them entirely is not discernment, but a blanket condemnation. I cannot believe that blanket condemnation pleases God in the least.

I have said many times on this blog that I believe the charismata to be rarer than most charismatics make them out to be. What I have not said is that they have vanished altogether, because it takes a great amount of textual dancing to make them go away. The clear reading is that they were given to the Church for all time; anything else, I believe, is a tortured reading.

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]]> By: Deehttp://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/cleansing-the-charismatic-crackup-part-2.html#comment-41642 Dee Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:49:22 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=980#comment-41642 People or charismatics in general have lost the meaning of the most important miracle of all... the miracle of salvation.. how about the miracle of the sun rising every morning.. Miracles should never be the focus... it is a real shame.. I don't need a miracle.. I need Jesus! I don't need the giggles and the feeling.. I need grace and mercy.. I mean really what has the church become when its focus is not on Jesus? I have been so saddened as so disturbed through this but i can only pray that those who seek after miracles more than Jesus will open their eyes to the truth! A wicked generation seeks after miracles. Sure there is glory to see someone walk out of a wheel chair, but there is more glory and excitement to see people who have given their lives to Christ! People or charismatics in general have lost the meaning of the most important miracle of all… the miracle of salvation.. how about the miracle of the sun rising every morning.. Miracles should never be the focus… it is a real shame.. I don’t need a miracle.. I need Jesus! I don’t need the giggles and the feeling.. I need grace and mercy.. I mean really what has the church become when its focus is not on Jesus?

I have been so saddened as so disturbed through this but i can only pray that those who seek after miracles more than Jesus will open their eyes to the truth! A wicked generation seeks after miracles. Sure there is glory to see someone walk out of a wheel chair, but there is more glory and excitement to see people who have given their lives to Christ!

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