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> <channel><title>Comments on: Driving a Stake Through the Heart of &#8220;Christian&#8221; Nihilism</title> <atom:link href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/driving-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-christian-nihilism.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/driving-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-christian-nihilism.html</link> <description>Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:34 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Doug</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/driving-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-christian-nihilism.html#comment-49697</link> <dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1164#comment-49697</guid> <description>This article has good intentions, but with all due respect to the author, it is also fairly naive. We can&#039;t just will things to happen by practicing our faith or even praying for miracles. When the Bible says all things are possible with God, it is not saying that God will do all things for us sinful human beings, it is saying that God can do as He pleases because the Creation is His and not ours. How dare we think that, just by willing something to happen through our faith, that we can make it happen? That strikes me as very arrogant and not even physically or spiritually possible.
If that were true, my lifelong medical condition that&#039;s destroyed a lot of my existence would have been gone years ago. I could have just said a prayer and had my problems solved, but sometimes God lets us suffer to bring us closer to Him. When Jesus tells us to ask for anything and it will be given, he doesn&#039;t mean miracles or marriages or cars or things. He means spiritual strength and spiritual edification, but we materialistic people usually read that into that. If anything, Americans are too MUCH like this, not too little. We have a wonderfully independent and individualist system here, and I adore it, but the downside is, we often think that we control God and not the other way around. Sure, have faith and pray for miracles, but realize that it is GOD and not us who can make something happen. Our faith can move mountains, but it is God who chooses who is worthy of being His elect and who is not. Also, &quot;Christian nihilism&quot; generally refers to Christians who view this life as very empty and meaningless, as Solomon pointed out in Ecclesiastes. The definition in this article would seem more fitting for &quot;Christian defeatism.&quot; The two are not the same.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has good intentions, but with all due respect to the author, it is also fairly naive. We can&#8217;t just will things to happen by practicing our faith or even praying for miracles. When the Bible says all things are possible with God, it is not saying that God will do all things for us sinful human beings, it is saying that God can do as He pleases because the Creation is His and not ours. How dare we think that, just by willing something to happen through our faith, that we can make it happen? That strikes me as very arrogant and not even physically or spiritually possible.</p><p>If that were true, my lifelong medical condition that&#8217;s destroyed a lot of my existence would have been gone years ago. I could have just said a prayer and had my problems solved, but sometimes God lets us suffer to bring us closer to Him. When Jesus tells us to ask for anything and it will be given, he doesn&#8217;t mean miracles or marriages or cars or things. He means spiritual strength and spiritual edification, but we materialistic people usually read that into that. If anything, Americans are too MUCH like this, not too little. We have a wonderfully independent and individualist system here, and I adore it, but the downside is, we often think that we control God and not the other way around. Sure, have faith and pray for miracles, but realize that it is GOD and not us who can make something happen. Our faith can move mountains, but it is God who chooses who is worthy of being His elect and who is not. Also, &#8220;Christian nihilism&#8221; generally refers to Christians who view this life as very empty and meaningless, as Solomon pointed out in Ecclesiastes. The definition in this article would seem more fitting for &#8220;Christian defeatism.&#8221; The two are not the same.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim N</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/driving-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-christian-nihilism.html#comment-43946</link> <dc:creator>Jim N</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:06:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1164#comment-43946</guid> <description>Amen!  I have been saying this for the last five years in the church that I pastor.  We have around one hundred people in attendance each week, and I would love nothing more than the worship time to be overrun with people sharing what God has been doing in their lives.  They can talk freely about how bad things are, and how bad things are going to get, however coaxing them to cross into sharing what God is doing is nigh unto impossible.   Thankfully, we have had a few people (just recent additions) begin sharing.
Its our most powerful witness, when we share the story of our journey.  And if we could just have people realize that God brought us together as a family, not to fill the pews or the collection plate, or for that matter to make nice music — but to be there for each other, lifting and sharing all things with each other, the changes we would see occur would blow our minds.
Thanks Dan as always!
Shalom!
jim</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!  I have been saying this for the last five years in the church that I pastor.  We have around one hundred people in attendance each week, and I would love nothing more than the worship time to be overrun with people sharing what God has been doing in their lives.  They can talk freely about how bad things are, and how bad things are going to get, however coaxing them to cross into sharing what God is doing is nigh unto impossible.   Thankfully, we have had a few people (just recent additions) begin sharing.</p><p>Its our most powerful witness, when we share the story of our journey.  And if we could just have people realize that God brought us together as a family, not to fill the pews or the collection plate, or for that matter to make nice music — but to be there for each other, lifting and sharing all things with each other, the changes we would see occur would blow our minds.</p><p>Thanks Dan as always!<br
/> Shalom!<br
/> jim</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SJLC</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/driving-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-christian-nihilism.html#comment-43941</link> <dc:creator>SJLC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:25:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1164#comment-43941</guid> <description>Our wills *should* be converging towards God&#039;s will, but lots of us are not properly tuned into what God wants, so we ask for all the wrong things and get discouraged when our prayers are thus so ineffective. My question is never whether God &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; do a particular thing, such as healing someone of &quot;terminal&quot; cancer or renewing the world economy, but whether he &lt;i&gt;wants&lt;/i&gt; to...
In the case of Joshua and Caleb, God had &lt;i&gt;promised&lt;/i&gt; them victory over the Canaanites, so it was right for them to expect it. If God told us modern Christians that He was going to give us some specific victory, we would be idiots not to expect it to happen.
In contrast, I have no idea what He wants to do about modern events, except that He certainly doesn&#039;t want us to participate in the corruption and injustice. Suppose we are the last generation (not saying we are, but we don&#039;t know that we aren&#039;t), then the societal corruption and injustice is going to be allowed to increase until the very end and we will become outcasts -- all part of the plan.
I have no idea what He wants to do about the health or financial situation of any particular person (including myself); it will be whatever is best in the long term, but can easily be what is most painful in the short term. If my parents had listened to my wishes as a child, I would never have gotten any shots or blood tests or teeth pulled or worn braces... of course they didn&#039;t give in, and God doesn&#039;t give in when we ask for the wrong things because we don&#039;t know any better.
Without enough maturity to hear the Spirit prompting in one direction or another, how can I pray for anything specific with confidence that it is what God wants??</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our wills *should* be converging towards God&#8217;s will, but lots of us are not properly tuned into what God wants, so we ask for all the wrong things and get discouraged when our prayers are thus so ineffective. My question is never whether God <i>can</i> do a particular thing, such as healing someone of &#8220;terminal&#8221; cancer or renewing the world economy, but whether he <i>wants</i> to&#8230;</p><p>In the case of Joshua and Caleb, God had <i>promised</i> them victory over the Canaanites, so it was right for them to expect it. If God told us modern Christians that He was going to give us some specific victory, we would be idiots not to expect it to happen.</p><p>In contrast, I have no idea what He wants to do about modern events, except that He certainly doesn&#8217;t want us to participate in the corruption and injustice. Suppose we are the last generation (not saying we are, but we don&#8217;t know that we aren&#8217;t), then the societal corruption and injustice is going to be allowed to increase until the very end and we will become outcasts &#8212; all part of the plan.</p><p>I have no idea what He wants to do about the health or financial situation of any particular person (including myself); it will be whatever is best in the long term, but can easily be what is most painful in the short term. If my parents had listened to my wishes as a child, I would never have gotten any shots or blood tests or teeth pulled or worn braces&#8230; of course they didn&#8217;t give in, and God doesn&#8217;t give in when we ask for the wrong things because we don&#8217;t know any better.</p><p>Without enough maturity to hear the Spirit prompting in one direction or another, how can I pray for anything specific with confidence that it is what God wants??</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
