Comments on: Why I Don’t Understand Church Planting… http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/why-i-dont-understand-church-planting.html Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:11:36 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: nAncY http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/why-i-dont-understand-church-planting.html#comment-45369 nAncY Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:41:31 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1188#comment-45369 i have come back to this because of an email updatd. and after time, i am seeing things differently. people and sin was... and is the problem. if we are not focusing on Jesus, what are we focusing on? works, money, self, self-fulfillment, unfaithfulness, things that are wrong, our needs, controling others, being strong, being forceful, making things happen, wanting things quickly if we focus on Jesus, what happens? there are still problems, but we are led in a different way. it has been centuries of many people not looking to the Holy Spirit. and we now have many people that see the church as it is...here...now...on earth....not perfect anywhere in the world. and what do people expect? perfection...for someone to fix it. the only way is people looking to Jesus through the generations as we all wait for His return. one way Jesus what does that mean to..... you? every person ask them selves if they are willing to..... follow. can anyone name the fruits of the Holy Spirit? love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control how do these fruits come to us? one way Jesus i have come back to this because of an email updatd.

and after time, i am seeing things differently.

people and sin was… and is the problem.

if we are not focusing on Jesus, what are we focusing on?

works,
money,
self,
self-fulfillment,
unfaithfulness,
things that are wrong,
our needs,
controling others,
being strong,
being forceful,
making things happen,
wanting things quickly

if we focus on Jesus, what happens?

there are still problems, but we are led in a different way.

it has been centuries of many people not looking to the Holy Spirit.
and we now have many people that see the church as it is…here…now…on earth….not perfect anywhere in the world.

and what do people expect? perfection…for someone to fix it.

the only way is people looking to Jesus through the generations as we all wait for His return.

one way Jesus

what does that mean to….. you?

every person ask them selves if they are willing to….. follow.

can anyone name the fruits of the Holy Spirit?

love,
joy,
peace,
patience,
kindness,
goodness,
faithfulness,
gentleness
and self-control

how do these fruits come to us?

one way

Jesus

]]> By: Mike http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/why-i-dont-understand-church-planting.html#comment-45368 Mike Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:59:55 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1188#comment-45368 After reading the post and all the comments. I have been in a rural church for over six years. I love the people, but they have been doing church the same way for years and do not feel they need to change. This is the same set up in most rural churches. That is why so many churches have split because they could not agree. So on one hand, we need church plants to reach the unchurched because the unchurched do not want to come to a church where people are set in their ways. On the other hand, we do need pastors who can handle the tireless effort to help churches turn around. Due to the fact not every pastor is built the same. Not all pastors can handle the years it will take for a dying church to change. As for both of the situations, it takes the Holy Spirit to raise a church from the dead and the same Holy Spirit lead someone to start a new church. America is the new mission field. The church should be helping each other. It is going to take every believer to rise up and do something. After reading the post and all the comments. I have been in a rural church for over six years. I love the people, but they have been doing church the same way for years and do not feel they need to change. This is the same set up in most rural churches. That is why so many churches have split because they could not agree. So on one hand, we need church plants to reach the unchurched because the unchurched do not want to come to a church where people are set in their ways. On the other hand, we do need pastors who can handle the tireless effort to help churches turn around. Due to the fact not every pastor is built the same. Not all pastors can handle the years it will take for a dying church to change. As for both of the situations, it takes the Holy Spirit to raise a church from the dead and the same Holy Spirit lead someone to start a new church. America is the new mission field. The church should be helping each other. It is going to take every believer to rise up and do something.

]]> By: Colin http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/why-i-dont-understand-church-planting.html#comment-44982 Colin Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:05:46 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1188#comment-44982 Ha, "Church Restorers", I've always called them "Church Waterers", but I'm just glad someone else is thinking the same thing. I've been trying to restore a 200 year old presbyterian church for the last 2 and half years now as head of Education/Young Adults/Outreach/endless random other titles. Probably only fifty more years ago--just enough to get rid of that generationally-bred dysfunction. Ha, “Church Restorers”, I’ve always called them “Church Waterers”, but I’m just glad someone else is thinking the same thing. I’ve been trying to restore a 200 year old presbyterian church for the last 2 and half years now as head of Education/Young Adults/Outreach/endless random other titles. Probably only fifty more years ago–just enough to get rid of that generationally-bred dysfunction.

]]> By: Dan Edelen http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/03/why-i-dont-understand-church-planting.html#comment-44395 Dan Edelen Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:36:03 +0000 http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1188#comment-44395 Christy, Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm excited that you and your husband caught the vision and are working to see it to fruition! Christy,

Thank you so much for sharing your story. I’m excited that you and your husband caught the vision and are working to see it to fruition!

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