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> <channel><title>Comments on: Never Walk Alone</title> <atom:link href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/05/never-walk-alone.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/05/never-walk-alone.html</link> <description>Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:37:15 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Travis Seitler</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/05/never-walk-alone.html#comment-44798</link> <dc:creator>Travis Seitler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:05:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1220#comment-44798</guid> <description>&quot;One of my greatest concerns about Calvinism is that too many of the young Calvinists I meet today have such a fatalistic attitude about life.&quot;
This drives me nuts more than almost anything else I&#039;ve seen in &quot;young Calvinism&quot; (rampant arrogance being the lone exception).
The takeaway point about the Calvinist understanding of God&#039;s sovereignty isn&#039;t, &quot;it doesn&#039;t matter what we try to do, so who cares?&quot; Rather, &quot;stop worrying about what will be; simply trust God to &#039;work in you both to will and to act according to His good pleasure,&#039; and leave the results of those actions in His hands.&quot; I&#039;ve noticed that Calvinists with Type-A (some might say &quot;choleric&quot;) personalities seem to be the ones with the most trouble recognizing this distinction.
I can&#039;t &quot;make&quot; someone love me, but I can love regardless. Jesus calls me to do the latter, not the former.
(Shoot, I can&#039;t make the mechanic up the road look at my only car in a reasonable timeframe! But I can hold my tongue when every inch of my body wants to yell and scream and curse him. And I can pray that they fix the thing and get it back to us before my pregnant wife&#039;s appointment with her midwives on Tuesday.) ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of my greatest concerns about Calvinism is that too many of the young Calvinists I meet today have such a fatalistic attitude about life.&#8221;</p><p>This drives me nuts more than almost anything else I&#8217;ve seen in &#8220;young Calvinism&#8221; (rampant arrogance being the lone exception).</p><p>The takeaway point about the Calvinist understanding of God&#8217;s sovereignty isn&#8217;t, &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t matter what we try to do, so who cares?&#8221; Rather, &#8220;stop worrying about what will be; simply trust God to &#8216;work in you both to will and to act according to His good pleasure,&#8217; and leave the results of those actions in His hands.&#8221; I&#8217;ve noticed that Calvinists with Type-A (some might say &#8220;choleric&#8221;) personalities seem to be the ones with the most trouble recognizing this distinction.</p><p>I can&#8217;t &#8220;make&#8221; someone love me, but I can love regardless. Jesus calls me to do the latter, not the former.</p><p>(Shoot, I can&#8217;t make the mechanic up the road look at my only car in a reasonable timeframe! But I can hold my tongue when every inch of my body wants to yell and scream and curse him. And I can pray that they fix the thing and get it back to us before my pregnant wife&#8217;s appointment with her midwives on Tuesday.) <img
src='http://ceruleansanctum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan Edelen</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/05/never-walk-alone.html#comment-44797</link> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:27:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1220#comment-44797</guid> <description>Thanks, Don. It&#039;s an issue i have thought and prayed about quite a bit. I grew up Lutheran and came to the charismatic movement from within a Lutheran context. My theology is still largely Lutheran and very much in tune with the Reformation. I am, however, sympathetic to some Arminian thought—but not all. And I am sympathetic to some aspects of Calvinism— but not all. Add in the charsimatic thought and you have in a me a real mongrel. In a way, I am a man without a theological &quot;country&quot;—at least one this side of heaven.
One of my greatest concerns about Calvinism is that too many of the young Calvinists I meet today have such a fatalistic attitude about life. I don&#039;t believe that Calvinism must naturally takes you down that path, but I think one has to be a little fuzzy in a few of the particulars of Calvinistic thinking to avoid some traps of going to its extremes. That won&#039;t endear you to the purists. But then some of the purists are too pure for Calvin, so there you have it!
And to provide a counter, Arminianism keeps people in a constant fear for their salvation when it is practiced in its extreme too. It tends to wallow in do&#039;s and dont&#039;s instead of focusing on the person of Jesus Christ. As Calvinist pastor John Piper says, &quot;God is the Gospel,&quot; yet too many Arminians forget this. I&#039;ve run into people who have been baptized over and over and over again because they are always being converted over and over. There&#039;s no confidence in Christ there; it&#039;s all confidence in performance. And that&#039;s not Christianity.
So both &quot;teams&quot; have got problems. I come down somewhere in the middle. This means that either both teams like me because they think I&#039;ll eventually fully play for their team, or they write me off as a heretic. Either way, I&#039;m cool with it!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Don. It&#8217;s an issue i have thought and prayed about quite a bit. I grew up Lutheran and came to the charismatic movement from within a Lutheran context. My theology is still largely Lutheran and very much in tune with the Reformation. I am, however, sympathetic to some Arminian thought—but not all. And I am sympathetic to some aspects of Calvinism— but not all. Add in the charsimatic thought and you have in a me a real mongrel. In a way, I am a man without a theological &#8220;country&#8221;—at least one this side of heaven.</p><p>One of my greatest concerns about Calvinism is that too many of the young Calvinists I meet today have such a fatalistic attitude about life. I don&#8217;t believe that Calvinism must naturally takes you down that path, but I think one has to be a little fuzzy in a few of the particulars of Calvinistic thinking to avoid some traps of going to its extremes. That won&#8217;t endear you to the purists. But then some of the purists are too pure for Calvin, so there you have it!</p><p>And to provide a counter, Arminianism keeps people in a constant fear for their salvation when it is practiced in its extreme too. It tends to wallow in do&#8217;s and dont&#8217;s instead of focusing on the person of Jesus Christ. As Calvinist pastor John Piper says, &#8220;God is the Gospel,&#8221; yet too many Arminians forget this. I&#8217;ve run into people who have been baptized over and over and over again because they are always being converted over and over. There&#8217;s no confidence in Christ there; it&#8217;s all confidence in performance. And that&#8217;s not Christianity.</p><p>So both &#8220;teams&#8221; have got problems. I come down somewhere in the middle. This means that either both teams like me because they think I&#8217;ll eventually fully play for their team, or they write me off as a heretic. Either way, I&#8217;m cool with it!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Costello</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/05/never-walk-alone.html#comment-44796</link> <dc:creator>Don Costello</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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I greatly appreciate your comments on Calvinism and sainthood.
God Bless you!
Don</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan<br
/> I greatly appreciate your comments on Calvinism and sainthood.<br
/> God Bless you!<br
/> Don</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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