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	<title>Comments on: Pro-Life—But Not Really</title>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Fluffy Cloud Heaven replaced Resurrection of the Body as the Christian afterlife somewhere in Victorian times.  (I suspect it was the Victorian mania for Sentimental Romanticism.)

And Darbyite Dispensationalism mixed with the trauma of World War One shifted the Second Coming from Post-Mil (which implies building the Millenium as God&#039;s hands in the world) to Pre-Mil Pre-Trib (&quot;Twinkle twinkle coming Christ/Beam ME up to Paradise&quot;).  And when Fundamentalism coalesced into a separate movement (with the usual church schisms), it reacted to the Post-Mils Social Gospel without personal salvation with a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation -- Say the Magic Words and Wait for Christ to Beam You Up.

When The World Ends Tomorrow (at the latest) and It&#039;s All Gonna Burn, you&#039;re NOT going to make long-range plans or attempt great things.

When your only goal is Keeping Your Nose Squeeky-Clean so you&#039;ll pass God&#039;s Litmus Test and get Beamed Up, you&#039;re NOT going to take any risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Fluffy Cloud Heaven replaced Resurrection of the Body as the Christian afterlife somewhere in Victorian times.  (I suspect it was the Victorian mania for Sentimental Romanticism.)</p>
<p>And Darbyite Dispensationalism mixed with the trauma of World War One shifted the Second Coming from Post-Mil (which implies building the Millenium as God&#8217;s hands in the world) to Pre-Mil Pre-Trib (&#8220;Twinkle twinkle coming Christ/Beam ME up to Paradise&#8221;).  And when Fundamentalism coalesced into a separate movement (with the usual church schisms), it reacted to the Post-Mils Social Gospel without personal salvation with a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation &#8212; Say the Magic Words and Wait for Christ to Beam You Up.</p>
<p>When The World Ends Tomorrow (at the latest) and It&#8217;s All Gonna Burn, you&#8217;re NOT going to make long-range plans or attempt great things.</p>
<p>When your only goal is Keeping Your Nose Squeeky-Clean so you&#8217;ll pass God&#8217;s Litmus Test and get Beamed Up, you&#8217;re NOT going to take any risks.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Explain to your children they will be resurrected here (on the earth) and will reign here (on the earth) with Christ.

Earthly stewardship becomes a presupposition.

It puzzles me as to why church people all claim they are leaving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain to your children they will be resurrected here (on the earth) and will reign here (on the earth) with Christ.</p>
<p>Earthly stewardship becomes a presupposition.</p>
<p>It puzzles me as to why church people all claim they are leaving.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

Man was given dominion, but dominion is not license for abuse. I have no issues with killing problem animals or food animals. But factory farms are not the most humane managers of food animals, and some are downright despicable.

As Rod Dreher showed in his book &lt;i&gt;Crunchy Cons&lt;/i&gt;, the people who lose big when agricultural oversight boards crop up are the small guys, usually the ones who are doing things right in the first place. Often, smaller farmers are unable to meet the requirements of such boards simply because they don&#039;t have the finances to meet the crushing demands, which are often ludicrously applied. Dreher cites the case of a small organic poultry farmer who was told he had to have a full-time, FDA-certified inspector on his grounds at all time, even though the guy only had a few hundred chickens. When such an inspector makes $60,000+ per year, you can see how the little guy is destroyed by this kind of bureaucratic nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Man was given dominion, but dominion is not license for abuse. I have no issues with killing problem animals or food animals. But factory farms are not the most humane managers of food animals, and some are downright despicable.</p>
<p>As Rod Dreher showed in his book <i>Crunchy Cons</i>, the people who lose big when agricultural oversight boards crop up are the small guys, usually the ones who are doing things right in the first place. Often, smaller farmers are unable to meet the requirements of such boards simply because they don&#8217;t have the finances to meet the crushing demands, which are often ludicrously applied. Dreher cites the case of a small organic poultry farmer who was told he had to have a full-time, FDA-certified inspector on his grounds at all time, even though the guy only had a few hundred chickens. When such an inspector makes $60,000+ per year, you can see how the little guy is destroyed by this kind of bureaucratic nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
I have a brother-in-law who is not a Christian and wouldn&#039;t care a whit to put four slugs in a mother and four baby raccoons if he found them in his corn crib that he uses to feed his cattle. I also have a dear friend who is a Christian who would go out of his way to kill a ground hog who digs holes in the land he uses to run his horses because if his horses step into one of those holes they could break a leg. I don&#039;t have a problem with that. I also don&#039;t have a problem with feeding cattle really well to fatten them up so that when they are slaughtered, there is more food on the table.I am an animal lover, I have had pets all my life, mostly dogs and I am all for their good treatment including taking them to the vet. But there has been at least one time where I chose to put my pet down rather than pay a $500.00 + vet bill that would seriously hinder the finances for my family. It was sad, but I would do it again in a second. I am going to vote for Issue 2. But I would have to be shown facts that it was the farmers abusing their animals that brought about this issue, rather than extremists like Peta just trying to muscle their way into the way Ohio or any state&#039;s farmers handle their animals.
God Bless You!
Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
I have a brother-in-law who is not a Christian and wouldn&#8217;t care a whit to put four slugs in a mother and four baby raccoons if he found them in his corn crib that he uses to feed his cattle. I also have a dear friend who is a Christian who would go out of his way to kill a ground hog who digs holes in the land he uses to run his horses because if his horses step into one of those holes they could break a leg. I don&#8217;t have a problem with that. I also don&#8217;t have a problem with feeding cattle really well to fatten them up so that when they are slaughtered, there is more food on the table.I am an animal lover, I have had pets all my life, mostly dogs and I am all for their good treatment including taking them to the vet. But there has been at least one time where I chose to put my pet down rather than pay a $500.00 + vet bill that would seriously hinder the finances for my family. It was sad, but I would do it again in a second. I am going to vote for Issue 2. But I would have to be shown facts that it was the farmers abusing their animals that brought about this issue, rather than extremists like Peta just trying to muscle their way into the way Ohio or any state&#8217;s farmers handle their animals.<br />
God Bless You!<br />
Don</p>
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