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> <channel><title>Cerulean Sanctum &#187; Obedience</title> <atom:link href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/category/christian-character/obedience/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com</link> <description>Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:52:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>R-E-S-P-E-C-T, and Why No One Can Get (or Give) Any</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/05/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-and-why-no-one-can-get-or-give-any.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/05/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-and-why-no-one-can-get-or-give-any.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:31:06 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Christianity in North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Community]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Counterculture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Dying to Self]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Faith]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godly Character]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Humility]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Judgmentalism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Leadership]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Maturity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Obedience]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Age]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Authority]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Leaders]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Disrespect]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Doubt]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Leaders]]></category> <category><![CDATA[President]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Questioning Authority]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Respect]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Wisdom]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2404</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got about six months until I hit 50. That milestone isn&#8217;t sitting well with me, though. Part of my unrest is that the major tropes of my youth with regard to the accumulation of years have failed. Or perhaps I should say that I failed to fulfill them. By the time you are 50, [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/05/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-and-why-no-one-can-get-or-give-any.html">R-E-S-P-E-C-T, and Why No One Can Get (or Give) Any</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got about six months until I hit 50. That milestone isn&#8217;t sitting well with me, though.</p><p>Part of my unrest is that the major tropes of my youth with regard to the accumulation of years have failed. Or perhaps I should say that I failed to fulfill them.</p><p>By the time you are 50, you are supposed to be in the prime of your career. You are a leader in your community. Your savings account is overflowing. You have power. Your words matter to people and they listen to you because you are a success.</p><p>At least that is what I grew up believing because that&#8217;s what we were all taught to believe.</p><p>Problem is, I haven&#8217;t achieved any of those. My careers (yes, multiple) have all been derailed at one point or another by uncontrollable economic factors, so this elusive &#8220;prime&#8221; I keep hearing about seems to be some mysterious other&#8217;s to enjoy. I&#8217;m not rich, so I have no power, since the <em>money = power</em> equation only grows stronger the larger the number of years on the calendar. Politics seems to be the only avenue to leadership anymore, and no party will have me. And since achievements in those preceding traits are the sole signal for success in our society today (with the possible exception of scandal, so there&#8217;s at least that still open), I&#8217;ll never be a worldly success.</p><p>They say that youth is wasted on the young, and I understand this more and more. Supposedly, the counterbalance is wisdom, but no one cares about wisdom. In an age of knowledge, where Google can give you answers to nearly any question you have, and it&#8217;s all within reach of a ubiquitous cell phone, what is wisdom? The Internet is filled with dime store philosophers, and most days anymore, I feel like just another of their horde. Name a topic and there&#8217;s a pundit for it.</p><p>So if none of this works, what is left for the guy who has managed to get to 50 years without making a total wreck of life?</p><p>I was taught to always refer to adults with &#8220;Mr.,&#8221;Mrs.,&#8221; or &#8220;Miss&#8221; preceding their surname. Even when I was in my 20s and 30s, my parents&#8217; peers were still &#8220;Mr. Kreider&#8221; or &#8220;Mrs. Frey,&#8221; not &#8220;Joe&#8221; or &#8220;Phyllis.&#8221;</p><p>This gave those neighborhood stalwarts some ethereal cachet that made them different from me. Better. Smarter. More worthy of respect.</p><p>Just the other day, I was out with my son, and we ran into the daughter of a friend. She&#8217;s 19-21, if my faulty memory serves, and she called out to me by saying, &#8220;Hello, Mr. Edelen.&#8221;</p><p>I found it almost startling to hear &#8220;Mr. Edelen.&#8221; Perhaps I am now an adult, part of that elusive set of peerage that reserved such titular prefixes for the friends of my deceased parents.</p><p>If anything, that callout got me thinking more deeply about respect.</p><p>If none of the other standards for adulthood drilled into me in my youth can be assumed, surely respect can. Yet despite being called Mr. Edelen by one well-raised young lady, I think that more of us can identify with Rodney Dangerfield.<a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/dangerfield_no_respect.jpg"><img
class="alignright size-full wp-image-2405" title="Rodney Dangerfield - No respect" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/dangerfield_no_respect.jpg" alt="Rodney Dangerfield - No respect" width="285" height="325" /></a></p><p>Getting to 50 without screwing up one&#8217;s life no longer merits the special favor of respect. Perhaps it never should have in the first place. We keep hearing that respect must be earned, and if anything, that&#8217;s still the prevailing thought.</p><p>Yet if our societal beliefs on respect are to be grasped, no one is earning respect.</p><p>The presidency used to be a position of respect. I don&#8217;t know if that was forever shot down by the presence of presidential protein on an intern&#8217;s dress, but since that event, neither of our last two presidents have garnered any respect. Even from Christians, respect may be talked about with regard to the POTUS, and we can blabber with the best of &#8216;em about Founding Fathers and the greatness of America, but the words we say about our president don&#8217;t encompass respect.</p><p>In fact, even in the Church today, I can&#8217;t think of anyone who gets any respect. The world at large has a built-in reflex for questioning authority, and that seems to have slid down the gutter into the American Church.</p><p>Don&#8217;t believe me? Consider the following.</p><p>An elder from your church pulls you aside some Sunday and says, &#8220;I notice your giving has been down this year. What can we do about that?&#8221;</p><p>For many of us, the first thought is, <em>Take a long walk off a short pier, buddy</em>.</p><p>Even if we substitute <em>pastor</em> for <em>elder</em> in that scene, nothing improves. Doesn&#8217;t matter who the person is, we don&#8217;t want anyone telling us we&#8217;re doing it wrong.</p><p><em>But, Dan, the giving thing is a naturally divisive issue</em>, you may say. <em>And I know you don&#8217;t ascribe to a New Testament tithe, anyway</em>. OK, then have the elder or pastor suggest that you&#8217;re not spending enough of your time in service to either the church or the community. Or that a church leader noticed a sin in your life you may need to address. Or that you might think you&#8217;re a gifted teacher, but that class you really want to teach is not what the church needs from you now. Or that you&#8217;re not as gifted in teaching as you think you are, and that perhaps your gift is driving the church bus.</p><p>How quickly the thought becomes, <em>So which other churches can I visit next Sunday?</em></p><p>We can talk all we want about respect, but no one seems to get any anymore. We are so selfish and believe ourselves so wise, that no one can speak into our lives with any authority and have us instantly consider his or her words worthwhile simply because who he or she is demands respect.</p><p>We don&#8217;t honor offices or the people who inhabit them. Titles now mean nothing. We have become like cliffs of granite, immovable, unswayable, and suitable only for jumping off for those who would suggest we move or sway.</p><p>Sure, plenty of Christian leaders have abused their authority. Sure, some people may not be worthy of respect.</p><p>But is anyone?</p><p>I maybe a poor example of human being and perhaps an even lousier Christian. Maybe respect should not be afforded me simply because I&#8217;ve hung around nearly 50 years.</p><p>Yet what else is there? If we can&#8217;t respect those people who are still standing after 50 years or more, especially within the Church, what hope do we have to ever move anything—including the Church—forward? Instead, we may be dooming ourselves to a downward spiral of selfishness that keeps crying out for others to respect us, even as we fail to respect anyone else.</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/05/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-and-why-no-one-can-get-or-give-any.html">R-E-S-P-E-C-T, and Why No One Can Get (or Give) Any</a></p>]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/05/r-e-s-p-e-c-t-and-why-no-one-can-get-or-give-any.html/feed</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Devolution of Beseeching Prayer</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-devolution-of-beseeching-prayer.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-devolution-of-beseeching-prayer.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:16:13 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Boldness]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity in North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Counterculture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Dying to Self]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godly Character]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Holiness]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Humility]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Obedience]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Prayerfulness]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Evangelical]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Prayer]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Protestant]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Self-Centeredness]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Selflessness]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2388</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Beseeching prayers since the Protestant Reformation: Reformation Era to 17th century Blessed Lord, may this servant&#8217;s death at the hands of those who oppose Thee and Thy Kingdom further the Glorious Light of Thy Gospel to the ends of the earth, that Thy Name be praised on the lips of them who hear Thy Words [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-devolution-of-beseeching-prayer.html">The Devolution of Beseeching Prayer</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beseeching prayers since the Protestant Reformation:</p><p><em>Reformation Era to 17th century</em></p><p>Blessed Lord, may this servant&#8217;s death at the hands of those who oppose Thee and Thy Kingdom further the Glorious Light of Thy Gospel to the ends of the earth, that Thy Name be praised on the lips of them who hear Thy Words of Life, repent in dust and ashes before Thee, and receive Thy precious gift of Eternal Life. Amen.</p><p><em>17th through 18th century</em></p><p>Holy Father, Divine Flame, purge the dross from Thy servant&#8217;s life, that in humbling Thy servant, the Christ would be visible to all who do not acknowledge Thee. Make Thy servant pure in Thine Eyes, that I not be cast away and lose mine inheritance, but prove Thee true before all men, for the glory of Thy name. Amen.</p><p><em>19th century</em></p><p>Precious Jesus, my Beloved, teach me to bear thy burdens as a good soldier of the Kingdom. May I know patience as I wait by thy feet and learn of thee. And if there be any wicked way in me, purge it by the light of thy grace, that I may be found in thee perfect, a witness to the nations. Amen.</p><p><em>Early 20th century</em></p><p>Glorious Lord, empower me to be a light to the world, taking your Gospel where it has not yet been proclaimed. Let me always ask what I can do for you, and let me know you more deeply in each passing day. Build up my blessings so that others might see the fruits of a life devoted to you. Amen.</p><p><em>Late 20th century</em></p><p>Lord Jesus, show me how you will use me. Bless me for the many ways in which I serve you. Send me, but when you do, please let it not be somewhere like Calcutta or someplace too dangerous, like an urban ghetto. And I really, really need a mentor too. Amen.</p><p><em>March 2012</em></p><p>Please God, do you really need to keep asking me to do all this stuff in the Bible? I have this Facebook Timeline thingy that needs tweaking, and maintaining my LinkedIn profile takes a lot of time too. Seriously. You want me happy right? Then what are doing about it? Oh, and the new iPad 3 is out and mine is only a 2. Can you do something about that? Please? It would be a great place to start. Bye.</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-devolution-of-beseeching-prayer.html">The Devolution of Beseeching Prayer</a></p>]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-devolution-of-beseeching-prayer.html/feed</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>10</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Spirit-Led Church Is the Only Real Church</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/02/the-spirit-led-church-is-the-only-real-church.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/02/the-spirit-led-church-is-the-only-real-church.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:59:23 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Charismatic]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity in North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Community]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Counterculture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Discernment]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godhead]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godly Character]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Leadership]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Maturity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Obedience]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Oddities]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Relevance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Simplicity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Supernaturalism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[The Holy Spirit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Worship]]></category> <category><![CDATA[American Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church in America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Meeting]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Discipleship]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Gifts]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Holy Spirit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Spiritual Gifts]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2358</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>In his book Reimagining Church, Frank Viola poses a few questions that should unnerve us. I&#8217;ve asked similar questions here, but I think revisiting at least one is worthwhile: If the Holy Spirit were to depart, what aspects of our Sunday church meeting would be changed by His absence? Unfortunately, I suspect the answer for [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/02/the-spirit-led-church-is-the-only-real-church.html">The Spirit-Led Church Is the Only Real Church</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his book <em>Reimagining Church</em>, Frank Viola poses a few questions that should unnerve us. I&#8217;ve asked similar questions here, but I think revisiting at least one is worthwhile:</p><p><strong>If the Holy Spirit were to depart, what aspects of our Sunday church meeting would be changed by His absence?</strong></p><p>Unfortunately, I suspect the answer for most churches would be <em>Not a darned thing</em>. Our worship, prayers, liturgies, sermons, and even our greetings could go on and on without anyone noticing the Holy Spirit had left the building.</p><p>Why? Because almost nothing of the way we practice the faith in our meetings relies on the presence of the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can sing songs without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can recite lines of liturgy without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can talk with others about life without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can prepare sermons without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can listen to those Spirit-less sermons without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can offer prayers without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can partake of a thimble of grape juice and a tiny cracker without the Holy Spirit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">We can run through our optimized order of service without the Holy Spirit.</p><p>We can perform dozens of church-related rituals without the Holy Spirit. Truth is, every Sunday in America, thousands of churches go through these motions and could keep going through them without noticing any difference if the Holy Spirit departed.</p><p>We are on auto-pilot in our churches. We have them programmed and timed down to the smallest letter and to the last minute. We don&#8217;t need the Holy Spirit at all.</p><p>Problem is, that&#8217;s not the Church of the Bible.</p><p>The church assembly of the Bible was led by the Spirit from beginning to end. It depended in the Spirit for everything. Without the Holy Spirit, the charismatic gifts would cease to function. <a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/pentecost_bw.jpg"><img
class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2359" title="Pentecost - Doré" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/pentecost_bw.jpg" alt="Pentecost - Doré" width="285" height="237" /></a>There would be no prophetic words possible. No words of knowledge or wisdom. No healing. None of the functions of a normal assembly of Christian people filled by the Spirit coming together to share their individual giftings in a public setting.</p><p>The order of the church would vanish without the Holy Spirit. What would those assembled do next? No one would have a psalm or spiritual song to bring because the Holy Spirit would not be there to inspire its singing or bringing. What inspired-in-the-moment message would be possible? Who would lead?</p><p>The people in the church assembly, those equipped by the Spirit to use their gifts, would have nothing to do, their reliance on the Spirit shattered by His absence. They would sit passively, lost.</p><p>A real church without the presence of the Holy Spirit to guide, equip, use, and mobilize would cease completely to be what it is supposed to be as depicted in the Bible.</p><p>From all this, the only conclusion that we can make is that most churches in America, because they would not cease to function  the moment the Spirit departed, are simply not real churches. They have become a sort of theatrical performance with a bit of group participation thrown in—and a tiny fraction of participation at that.</p><p>This should alarm us, shouldn&#8217;t it?</p><p>I have written previously that the one key aspect of the Christian Church that separates it from all other religious bodies is the Holy Spirit indwelling believers in the assembly, the infinite God of the Universe making Himself at home within the faithful follower. Other religions have sacred books, theologies, and practices, some of which mirror those of Christianity, but none can be said to include the Holy Spirit of God indwelling. That indwelling makes the Christian unique and gives the Church its <em>raison d&#8217;être</em>. No wonder that most pseudo-Christian cults mangle or do away with a theology of the Holy Spirit.</p><p>If your church could continue to do what it does each Sunday morning should the Spirit depart, then it is not a genuine church.</p><p>Something to consider the next time you sit in the pew on Sunday and wonder what is missing.</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
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