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> <channel><title>Cerulean Sanctum &#187; Christianity Outside North America</title> <atom:link href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/category/church/christians-outside-north-america/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com</link> <description>Looking for the 1st century Church in 21st century America</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:52:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>The $1,551,466 Christian</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-1551466-christian.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-1551466-christian.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Christianity in North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity Outside North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Evangelism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Oddities]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Conversion]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Converts]]></category> <category><![CDATA[missions]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2374</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>The Christian Church spends $1,551,466 to make one convert. That figure comes from the World Christian Encyclopedia published by Oxford University Press in 2001. Accurate or not, even if the number were a tenth that, it&#8217;s still staggering. Remember also that it&#8217;s 2012, and money doesn&#8217;t go as far today, so the figure would be [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-1551466-christian.html">The $1,551,466 Christian</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian Church spends $1,551,466 to make one convert.</p><p>That figure comes from the <em>World Christian Encyclopedia</em> published by Oxford University Press in 2001. Accurate or not, even if the number were a tenth that, it&#8217;s still staggering. Remember also that it&#8217;s 2012, and money doesn&#8217;t go as far today, so the figure would be even higher now.</p><p>Only Apple has the warchest to spend that kind of money to get a customer. Even then, at that rate, its half-trillion dollars wouldn&#8217;t last long enough to generate a sustainable client base.</p><p>Simply put, if the Church were a business, it would be bankrupt. Marketing and sales would get the blame.</p><p>But the Church isn&#8217;t a business; it&#8217;s a collection of people joined by Jesus Christ, empowered by the Holy Spirit, and tasked with a mission to make disciples. Given that $1,551,466 figure, the inescapable conclusion is that someone is not doing his part of the mission. Or is at least doing a mind-bogglingly ineffective job of it.</p><p>So, what is the fix?</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-1551466-christian.html">The $1,551,466 Christian</a></p>]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2012/03/the-1551466-christian.html/feed</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>14</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>An Appearance of Godliness, but Denying Its Power</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/07/appearance-of-godliness-but-denying-its-power.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/07/appearance-of-godliness-but-denying-its-power.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:13:31 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Apologetics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Boldness]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Charismatic]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity in North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity Outside North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Faith]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godly Character]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Maturity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Oddities]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Relevance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Supernaturalism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Belief]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Cessationism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Cessationist]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Charismata]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Holy Spirit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Power]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Power of God]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Signs and Wonders]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Unbelief]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2288</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Please read the following verses. Do not skip over them. &#8220;But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.&#8221; —Acts 1:8 &#8220;&#8216;And in the last days it shall be, God [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/07/appearance-of-godliness-but-denying-its-power.html">An Appearance of Godliness, but Denying Its Power</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Please read the following verses. Do not skip over them.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.&#8221;<br
/> —Acts 1:8</p><p>&#8220;&#8216;And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.&#8217;&#8221;<br
/> —Acts 2:17-21</p><p>And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.<br
/> —Acts 6:8</p><p>For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience&#8211;by word and deed, by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God&#8211;so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ&#8230;.<br
/> —Romans 15:18-19</p><p>And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.<br
/> —1 Corinthians 2:1-5</p><p>For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power.<br
/> —1 Corinthians 4:20</p><p>For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.<br
/> —2 Corinthians 10:4</p><p>&#8230;for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.<br
/> —2 Timothy 1:7</p><p>Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.<br
/> —James 5:16</p><p>For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution, how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.<br
/> —Hebrews 2:2-4</p><p>But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, <strong>having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.</strong><br
/> —2 Timothy 3:1-5</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for reading those verses. I pray that they blessed you.</p><p>My son and I have been reading through Acts together. What continues to strike me about the Church was the power that operated through it. Healings, resurrections, miracles—they are part and parcel of what defined the Church and what made it a threat to those who opposed it.</p><p>Today, my son and I  read how the Holy Spirit instructed a normal Christian named Ananias to go to a certain street, to a certain house, to lay hands on a certain persecutor of the Church, so that man might receive his sight again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.</p><p>I read that true account with awe. Sadly, that awe had more to do with the disbelief I see among so many who call themselves Christians but who readily dismiss anything miraculous in the Christian life. Theirs is a weakened, powerless Gospel.</p><p>I&#8217;m tired of reading blogs that tell me what a weak sinner I am but fail to tell me what  a Spirit-empowered saint Christ has made me because I am a new creation who sits with Christ in the heavenly places.</p><p>I&#8217;m tired of hearing people who say that all &#8220;that stuff&#8221; has passed away when the Bible tells me that I will receive power to be Christ&#8217;s witness to the ends of the earth, noting that the &#8220;ends of the earth&#8221; are still unreached in some places today. Those same people blithely ignore that the prophecy of Joel of the Last Days, filled as they were with signs and wonders, was to persist till the Great Day of the Lord.</p><p>I don&#8217;t get how people can leave out that the Bible teaches that the Gospel is accompanied by power, by signs and wonders, that these things attest to its truthfulness.</p><p>I don&#8217;t understand how people can read the Bible and come away thinking that raising the dead is just a figurative spiritual expression.  Or how people can turn off God&#8217;s voice so that He can&#8217;t give specific instructions to Christians to do this or that in ways that can&#8217;t be gleaned from  the pages of Scripture. So that Ananias does not know where to go to find Paul or that he should even lay hands on anyone in the first place. Or that Philip never hears from God to go over to that specific chariot and speak to that specific eunuch.</p><p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of a Church that walks away from its birthright of power because it is afraid, badly taught, foolish, or deceived.</p><p>You can&#8217;t read the Bible and not believe in the kind of power we see demonstrated so readily in the Church in the Book of Acts. You just can&#8217;t.</p><blockquote><p>“No one ever just picked up the Bible, started reading, and then came to the conclusion that God was not doing signs and wonders anymore and that the gifts of the Holy Spirit had passed away &#8230; If you were to lock a brand new Christian in a room with a Bible and tell him to study what the Scriptures have to say about healing and miracles, he would never come out of the room a cessationist &#8230; The doctrine of cessationism did not originate from a careful study of the scriptures &#8230; [but] &#8230; originated in <em>experience</em>.”</p><p>- Jack Deere, former cessationist</p></blockquote><p>And what is the experience Deere speaks of ?</p><blockquote><p>[Jesus] went away from there and came to his hometown, and his disciples followed him. And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, &#8220;Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?&#8221; And they took offense at him. And Jesus said to them, &#8220;A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.&#8221; And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. And he marveled because of their unbelief.<br
/> —Mark 6:1-6a</p></blockquote><p>It is the same unbelief we see in the pious people who told a certain blind man to be content in his blindness and suffering:</p><blockquote><p>As [Jesus] drew near to Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. And hearing a crowd going by, he inquired what this meant. They told him, &#8220;Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.&#8221; And he cried out, &#8220;Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!&#8221; And those who were in front rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more, &#8220;Son of David, have mercy on me!&#8221; And Jesus stopped and commanded him to be brought to him. And when he came near, he asked him, &#8220;What do you want me to do for you?&#8221; He said, &#8220;Lord, let me recover my sight.&#8221; And Jesus said to him, &#8220;Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.&#8221; And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him, glorifying God. And all the people, when they saw it, gave praise to God.<br
/> —Luke 18:35-43</p></blockquote><p>It is the experience of rationalization and excuses, of misplaced familiarity, simple unbelief, and faithlessness.</p><p>It is the kind of mentality that Paul warns of when he talks about people who have a form of godliness but deny its power. Certainly the people of Jesus&#8217; hometown attended their synagogue and seemed pious. They had a form of godliness. The only problem was that they denied its power. And the mighty works were diminished, even at the hand of the Lord, because of their dismissive unbelief.</p><p>Those dismissive people anger me. And they are everywhere in the Western Church, a Western Church born of the Enlightenment that denies anything and everything supernatual.</p><p>On my wall is a picture of a missionary. His name is Rachapalli, and he labors in India, his homeland. He is a Christian today because a pastor came to his home and laid hands on Rachapalli&#8217;s paralyzed father and did what all the witchdoctors could not do: healed him by the power of God. The words of God were confirmed to that family because of this healing, and they gave their lives to Christ.</p><p>The Gospel is going forth in power in nations that are not ours because those people in those nations still believe. We, however, have our best Bible teachers telling us that all that stuff passed away.</p><p>This explains much about the destitution in the American Church.</p><p>What about you? Do you believe the Bible? Or do you believe people who have a form of godliness but deny its power?</p><blockquote><p>And when the men had come to [Jesus], they said, &#8220;John the Baptist has sent us to you, saying, &#8216;Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?&#8217;&#8221; In that hour he healed many people of diseases and plagues and evil spirits, and on many who were blind he bestowed sight. And he answered them, &#8220;Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the poor have good news preached to them. And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.&#8221;<br
/> —Luke 7:20-23</p></blockquote><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/07/appearance-of-godliness-but-denying-its-power.html">An Appearance of Godliness, but Denying Its Power</a></p>]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/07/appearance-of-godliness-but-denying-its-power.html/feed</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>5</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Money God</title><link>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/10/the-money-god.html</link> <comments>http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/10/the-money-god.html#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:01:06 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Christianity Outside North America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church Issues]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Counterculture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Discernment]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Dying to Self]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Godly Character]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Humility]]></category> <category><![CDATA[In the News]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Maturity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Obedience]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Relevance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Simplicity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Anything for Money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Avarice]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Bought]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Casinos]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Compromise]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Ency]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Gambling]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Greed]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Issue 3]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Ohio]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Police Faternal Order of Police]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Vice]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Wealth]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Wordliness]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=1895</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Here in Ohio, we have yet another voter referendum on casinos, Issue 3. In the course of the last 25 years of my life, pro-casino forces have tried to shove gambling down the throats of Ohioans with one voter referendum after another, but we&#8217;ve always gagged and spit them out. Churches and police have stood [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/10/the-money-god.html">The Money God</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Ohio, we have yet another voter referendum on casinos, Issue 3. In the course of the last 25 years of my life, pro-casino forces have tried to shove gambling down the throats of Ohioans with one voter referendum after another, but we&#8217;ve always gagged and spit them out.</p><p>Churches and police have stood arm in arm against gambling. Church leaders cited the studies that showed without a doubt that gambling destroys families.The Ohio Fraternal Order of Police was relentless in detailing the studies that prove that casinos lead to exponential jumps in crime.</p><p>But that was then. Now the police endorse the casinos.</p><p>Why? Sadly, I can reduce the answer to one character on the keyboard: $</p><p>Not only will law enforcement get two percent of the casino tax (which would make their share $19 million a year), but they will certainly drain additional money from taxpayers when crime increases—along with the need for more police to contain it—and the casino tax mysteriously fails to cover the added expense, as &#8220;We Who Know How These Things Work&#8221; know it will. It&#8217;s the ultimate in cynicism from the police. Rather than seeing crime as evil, they now see it as job security, their fair share of the filthy lucre, plus an additional shot at more funding. And my momma always told me I could trust a policeman. Ha!</p><p>Honestly, it&#8217;s a short trip from there to endorsing street drug sales. And prostitution. Heck, why not let the state&#8217;s legislators run a human organ trafficking ring out of the capitol building? Next thing you know, the state budget will be met by selling your liver and kidneys or mine to the highest bidder.</p><p>No bottom exists when money becomes the raison d&#8217;être. Today, morals and ethics take a distant third to money and lining one&#8217;s own pocket with it. I hate to be a cynic, but our culture as a whole in America is doomed if the answer to everything always comes down to cold, hard cash.</p><p>Look at the Roman Catholic Church and abortion. The RCC itself is staunchly anti-abortion, but the people in the seats are, by majority, for it. Big disconnect. So it&#8217;s not hard to imagine protestant churches as entities being strongly against this vice or that, but later finding that the individuals within are less inclined to match the doctrinal line. And money is a big divider.</p><p>The churches in my area are standing against the casinos, but when you talk with people outside their hallowed sanctuaries, many of them are mumbling the mantra of the casino marketers: more jobs, money for schools, and on and on. They wonder how any of that can bad.</p><p>We equate our jobs with money, so we let our jobs define us. &#8220;So what do you do for a living?&#8221; is usually the second question we ask someone after &#8220;What is your name, please?&#8221; A person&#8217;s answer usually tells us all we need to know about his or her salary. And from that we decide whether this is a person with whom we can be friends or who can benefit us as we claw our way to the top.</p><p>Heaven knows we need the right people in our churches. We make the business owner an elder and relegate the convenience store cashier to dumping out the Sunday nursery diapers.</p><p>And it&#8217;s all about money.</p><p>Truth is, Jesus doesn&#8217;t define us by what we do for a living. In other words, you are not your job. Nor does Jesus care all that much about how many earthly riches you and I have, for He looks on the richness of the heart.</p><p>I think I can also say without qualms that Jesus doesn&#8217;t like it much when we stand for money more than we stand for truth. I once visited a rich church comprised of a number of fast trackers to the upper echelons of management in one of the largest companies in town. Those men talked a great deal about stopping this vice and that in the name of Jesus. But when their own company took an antithetical position on a vice issue, these fellas shut up pretty quickly rather than risk their ascent to the corner office.</p><p>And that&#8217;s pretty much how each of us would have played the same hand, if dealt it. We really do love our money more.</p><p>What this economic dive has taught me more than anything: When it all comes down to it, we Americans will always choose money over Jesus. <img
class="alignright size-full wp-image-1896" title="Jesus or Money?" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/Jesus_or_Money.png" alt="Jesus or Money?" width="285" height="229" />That&#8217;s the <a
title="Link to The Real American Christian 'Either/Or'" href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/08/the-real-american-christian-eitheror.html" target="_blank">real American Christian either/or</a>. And it&#8217;s only becoming more apparent as our societal restraints unravel. (Which is why it&#8217;s no coincidence that Hollywood is rolling out a timely new movie based on the old question of whether or not a person, for a large sum of money, would push a button guaranteed to anonymously kill some random person in the world. Answer: I think most people would, regardless of their religious beliefs. Of course, Hollywood wants to impose unrealistic consequences for the sake of suspense, but you and I know that most people would not spend more than 30 seconds pondering consequences. Everyone dies eventually, right?)</p><p>Honestly, I&#8217;m shocked that a few churches in Ohio haven&#8217;t publicly allied with the police to tout the need for casinos. If the casino referendum should—miracle of miracles—go down to defeat, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if we see some churches lobbying for gambling next time the vote comes up (which it seems to every two years). If things get bad enough, we can always find ways to put a Christian spin on just about everything. Besides, selling your soul doesn&#8217;t hurt much when you do it one small chunk at a time.</p><p>I mean, we all have our price, don&#8217;t we?</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
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