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isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2258</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>One of the final prayers of Jesus before His crucifixion: &#8220;I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/04/the-forgotten-prayer-of-jesus.html">The Forgotten Prayer of Jesus</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the final prayers of Jesus before His crucifixion:</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me&#8230;.&#8221;<br
/> —John 17:20-23</p></blockquote><p><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/gordian_knot.jpg"><img
class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2259" title="Gordian Knot" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/gordian_knot.jpg" alt="Gordian Knot" width="285" height="265" /></a>These are the words of God Himself in the Flesh, Jesus Christ, and yet that prayer carries a bitter irony: We Christians are far from one. If our oneness is to be the very representation of the Trinity&#8217;s own oneness, how then is it possible for us to be so fragmented and hostile to those people who share and affirm our belief that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?</p><p>It makes me wonder how much better would be the state of Christendom today around the world if we spent more time in genial, wise conversation with those who disagree with our particular interpretation of doctrine or biblical interpretation. Instead, we go to great lengths to prove our &#8220;foes&#8221; wrong and believe ourselves the best people to deliver that correction.</p><p>What does it mean to work toward ensuring that Jesus&#8217; prayer of perfect oneness matters in how we conduct ourselves with brothers and sisters who disagree with us?</p><p>Take one position that divides Christians across the country. It may not seem like a make or break doctrinal stance, but I&#8217;ve witnessed the most terrible things done in the name of this disagreement: the consumption of alcohol by Christians.</p><p>For some Christians, anyone who drinks alcohol might as well be the devil&#8217;s own spawn, Christian or not. That said, I drink alcohol. I have a glass of wine with meals now and then. Sometimes I might have a beer.</p><p>The Bible says this about wine:</p><blockquote><p>You [God] cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man&#8217;s heart.<br
/> —Psalms 104:14-15</p></blockquote><p>And with all due respect to those who would like to see Prohibition return, grape juice doesn&#8217;t have the same ability to gladden the heart of man as a good glass or two of a fine Pinot Noir. Let&#8217;s get real here.</p><p>That said, I perfectly understand those who shun alcohol, especially when they&#8217;ve had a bad past with it. Alcohol killed my own father. I fully support anyone&#8217;s decision not to drink wine, beer, or spirits.</p><p>Yet how these two sides can tear into each other! Especially when a glass of wine with dinner somehow gets conflated with &#8220;do not get drunk with wine.&#8221;</p><p>And should I go into the battle over the continuance/cessation of the charismata? Or of credo- vs. paedobaptism? Can we talk about eschatology? Don&#8217;t our positions on those doctrines make an enormous difference in the fundamental ways in which we believe and how we practice the Faith?</p><p>Can we disagree and still be one? Or will the group in power run roughshod over the other?</p><p>How many issues have we made divisive in the Body of Christ? And what about Jesus&#8217; oneness prayer?</p><p>So alcoholic drink consumption, despite the fact it can be used as club in some Christian circles, isn&#8217;t a major doctrinal issue for many. Or any of those others I mentioned. OK, what else then?</p><p>My post &#8220;<a
title="Better Than a Beating" href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2011/04/better-than-a-beating.html" target="_blank">Better Than a Beating</a>&#8221; discusses how to handle someone who is 90 percent accurate, but not 100. Fact is, each of us has been at 90—or even less. In fact, some of us may just now be reaching that 90 percent stage. Growth means leaving behind what we were and becoming more like Christ is. That&#8217;s a continual refinement that won&#8217;t be complete until we draw our final breath. Agreed?</p><p>So what about the worst of the worst Scripture manglers out there? Well, even they have common ground with us if they conform to the following biblical test:</p><blockquote><p>Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.<br
/> —1 John 4:1-3</p></blockquote><p>Do we know anyone who believes and confesses that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and yet he or she still professes some wonky theology?</p><p>If we do, then our role is to go to that person and try to win them to a more fully developed and Scriptural theology. Isn&#8217;t that what Christ would do? The Bible seems to say that it is:</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets; a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory; and in his name the Gentiles will hope.&#8221;<br
/> —Matthew 12:18-21</p><p>&#8220;What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, &#8216;Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.&#8217; Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.&#8221;<br
/> —Luke 15:4-7</p></blockquote><p>The Bible adds this:</p><blockquote><p>The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.<br
/> —2 Peter 3:9</p></blockquote><p>If the Scriptures says that Christ is gentle with the bruised reed and the faintly glowing wick, if He is willing to leave the many to rescue the one that wandered away, if He is patient with us and with our progress toward Him, how is it that we so rarely exhibit those same traits toward others, especially perceived theological foes?</p><p>One final statement concerning the Scriptures just noted—please read this again:</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory&#8230;.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>That final phrase should warn us that the patience will some day turn into judgment for those who will not acknowledge the full truth of Jesus Christ. One day, there will no longer be any excuses, and those who dragged their heels will have no recourse.</p><p>But that day is not yet come. Until then, we are to work at being one. And it is work. No one said restoring people with flawed personal beliefs and practices would be easy. Too many of us, particularly those best equipped to handle truth correctly, often consign the flawed thinker to perdition ahead of Christ&#8217;s own, final pronouncement.</p><p>Do we believe that any one living, breathing person is beyond redemption? If so, then we have nullified the blood of Christ. If Christ has had mercy on you and me, how then can we fail to show mercy to others, even those who some would say are our enemies because their beliefs are not yet fully conformed to truth?</p><p>All God can ask of you and me is that we do not give up on those who are lurking at the fringes, no matter how great or small they might be. Justice is His alone and He will execute it at the right time. Until then, the prayer of Jesus for oneness should ever be before us. Because when we are one, the world can see His glory.</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
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isPermaLink="false">http://ceruleansanctum.com/?p=2140</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>We all know this passage from the OT: It is the LORD who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed. —Deuteronomy 31:8 The NT frames it this way: And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the [...]</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2010/08/stuff-i-dont-get-is-left-right.html">Stuff I Don&#8217;t Get: Is Left Right?</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know this passage from the OT:</p><blockquote><p>It is the LORD who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.<br
/> —Deuteronomy 31:8</p></blockquote><p>The NT frames it this way:</p><blockquote><p>And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.<br
/> —Matthew 28:20b</p></blockquote><p>But not as many people know this passage, one that makes for a series of puzzling questions:</p><blockquote><p>And Hezekiah himself stopped the upper water courses of Gihon, and brought it straight down to the west side of the city of David. And Hezekiah was blessed in all his works. But, in regard to the ambassadors of the rulers of Babylon who sent to him to ask about the wonder that was done in the land, God left him in order to try him, to know all that was in his heart. And the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and his goodness, behold, they are written in the vision of Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, and in the Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel.<br
/> —2 Chronicles 32:30-32</p></blockquote><p>So, when this righteous king, one of the few bright lights to sit upon the throne, <a
href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/hezekiah_envoys.gif"><img
class="alignright size-full wp-image-2141" style="width: 285px; height: 242px;" title="Hezekiah and the Babylonian Envoys" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/hezekiah_envoys.gif" alt="Hezekiah and the Babylonian Envoys" width="285" height="242" /></a>needed God&#8217;s wisdom to know how to deal with Babylonian envoys, God leaves Hezekiah in order to test him?</p><p>The Hebrew word for <em>left </em>is pretty strong: <em>‘ âzab</em>. One of its connotations is to forsake.</p><p>Hezekiah was a pillar of virtue. Sin was not the reason God left him at that point.</p><p>The passage said that God did this to see what was in Hezekiah&#8217;s heart. Didn&#8217;t He already know?</p><p>If Hezekiah had responded in some odd way, would this have surprised God?</p><p>Why test a king who had consistently proven himself good?</p><p>This is Babylon Hezekiah&#8217;s dealing with, not some podunk nation. Wouldn&#8217;t God&#8217;s presence and help be essential?</p><p>If nothing good can come out of a man apart from God, what&#8217;s going on here?</p><p>And sure, the Holy Spirit always indwells believers, but did God do this personal test with one of His own just this one time in 2 Chronicles? Or does He do something akin to this &#8220;leave in order to test&#8221; with believers today?</p><p>Nearly all the commentaries I have note that 2 Kings 20:13-21 expands what happens, as Hezekiah shows the envoys everything in his kingdom. Some commentators say that this proves that Hezekiah loved earthly riches and did not value God as much as he should. Or that he did not point the envoys to God by explaining the miraculous retrogression of the sun (Isaiah 38:4-8) or his own deathbed recovery (earlier in Isaiah 38). Yet this is what the Bible says elsewhere about Hezekiah:</p><blockquote><p>In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah, king of Israel, Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. He was twenty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother&#8217;s name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah. And he did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, according to all that David his father had done. He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan). He trusted in the LORD, the God of Israel, so that there was none like him among all the kings of Judah after him, nor among those who were before him. For he held fast to the LORD. He did not depart from following him, but kept the commandments that the LORD commanded Moses. And the LORD was with him; wherever he went out, he prospered. He rebelled against the king of Assyria and would not serve him. He struck down the Philistines as far as Gaza and its territory, from watchtower to fortified city.<br
/> —2 Kings 18:1-8</p></blockquote><p>So this is a man who doesn&#8217;t really love God as he ought? And God left him?</p><p>For me, 2 Chronicles 32:31 is one of the oddest verses in the entire Bible. I just can&#8217;t make any sense of it. If you can, please clue me in!</p><p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a
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