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		<title>Your Holy Spirit Is W-A-Y Too Safe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the few Godbloggers I&#8217;ve met in person is Jared Wilson, author of Your Jesus Is Too Safe. We chowed down on McDonald&#8217;s in Nashville one night and talked writing.
I like the title of Jared&#8217;s book. Yet the more I think about it, the more I think that it&#8217;s not Jesus who causes the [...]<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2010/01/your-holy-spirit-is-w-a-y-too-safe.html">Your Holy Spirit Is W-A-Y Too Safe</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the few Godbloggers I&#8217;ve met in person is Jared Wilson, author of <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Your-Jesus-Too-Safe-Outgrowing/dp/0825439310?ie=UTF8&idbox_tracking_id=cerulsanct-20"rel="nofollow" title="Link to Wilson's book at Amazon"   target="_self">Your Jesus Is Too Safe</a></em>. We chowed down on McDonald&#8217;s in Nashville one night and talked writing.</p>
<p>I like the title of Jared&#8217;s book. Yet the more I think about it, the more I think that it&#8217;s not Jesus who causes the most trouble for Christians.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Holy Spirit.<a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/el_greco_pentecost.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1441" title="el_greco_pentecost" src="http://ceruleansanctum.com/images/el_greco_pentecost-131x300.jpg" alt="El Greco's Pentecost" width="131" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>When the Holy Spirit shows up in power in a church, the status quo changes. Those people especially touched by Him, ones who were often sideline sitters, suddenly are empowered to take on new roles and responsibilities within the body of Christ. The old ways of doing church fall into line with God&#8217;s way. Distracting programs and costly plans end up abandoned. Miracles happen. The charismatic gifts break out. And on and on.</p>
<p>And that threatens a lot of people. Especially those in charge.</p>
<p>The Holy Spirit&#8217;s penchant for busting up idols in a church, no matter how cherished they might be, is one of the most unnerving realities some church leaders face. Some denominations even take a formal stance against anything &#8220;charismatic&#8221; happening in their churches. Books are written by &#8220;safe&#8221; Christian authors/pastors/leaders about the need to keep &#8220;that stuff&#8221; down. You hear supposedly mature Christians ranting about what they <em>don&#8217;t</em> want the Holy Spirit to do in their churches.</p>
<p>So much for faith and humble submission! And while we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s just scrap the empowering for miraculous ministry, too.</p>
<p>So while Jesus may be relegated by some to a meek and mild Good Shepherd position, in too many churches the Holy Spirit is denied and unwanted because He&#8217;s perceived as downright <em>threatening</em>.</p>
<p>Why is the Church in America so timid and powerless? This issue is a great place to start.</p>
<p>Something to think about for 2010 and beyond.</p>
<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2010/01/your-holy-spirit-is-w-a-y-too-safe.html">Your Holy Spirit Is W-A-Y Too Safe</a></p>

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	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/02/leonard-ravenhill.html" title="Leonard Ravenhill (February 28, 2006)">Leonard Ravenhill</a> (20)</li>
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	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/07/why-so-little-evidence-of-miraculous-power-in-the-western-church.html" title="Why So Little Evidence of Miraculous Power in the Western Church? (July 12, 2007)">Why So Little Evidence of Miraculous Power in the Western Church?</a> (8)</li>
	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/what-the-american-church-is-doing-right-part-2.html" title="What the American Church Is Doing Right, Part 2 (July 19, 2006)">What the American Church Is Doing Right, Part 2</a> (5)</li>
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		<title>Equipping the Saints: The Synergy of Spirit &amp; Word</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#8217;t the best of mornings when you get down to it.
My wife had an appointment scheduled that put her on edge because it had the potential to determine the course of the rest of her life. Jangly nerves and a tremor in her voice all said, &#8220;I really need you to pay attention to [...]<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/08/equipping-the-saints-the-synergy-of-spirit-word.html">Equipping the Saints: The Synergy of Spirit &#038; Word</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t the best of mornings when you get down to it.</p>
<p>My wife had an appointment scheduled that put her on edge because it had the potential to determine the course of the rest of her life. Jangly nerves and a tremor in her voice all said, &#8220;I really need you to pay attention to me <em>right now</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>My son, watching his summer vacation slipping away, fell into that desperate state of attempting to pack as much living into five days as was humanly possible. Flubber had nothing on the kid. He was bouncing around the house begging for things to do, his sole mission to get me to pay attention to him <em>right now</em>.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;d awakened to a malfunctioning Internet connection and a deadline to meet. As the materials had to be emailed, that posed a bit of a dilemma. With my IT background, I normally don&#8217;t blanch when tech things go awry. But after some computer finagling, I came to the terrible realization that it was nothing on my end that I could correct; my ISP was down, no matter what the blinking lights on the modem said. It was the kind of situation I needed to deal with <em>right now</em> if I was to make my deadline.</p>
<p>And right at that moment of stark tech realization, kid yelling, wife anxious, the doorbell rang.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dad, there&#8217;s two people standing at the door,&#8221; my son added to his tirade.</p>
<p>I knew in that second exactly who it was.</p>
<p>The Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses.</p>
<p>While that&#8217;s enough to start some people hyperventilating, I greatly enjoy talking to the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses. I know their theology very well, know what verses to share with them out of their own (flawed) New World Translation bible, and generally throw a box full of monkey wrenches into the cogs of their apologetics. In short, I know exactly what to say to them. And I do it in a very neighborly and loving way.</p>
<p>Most times, that is.</p>
<p>Normally, I would invite them in, but the hyperactive son and the anxious wife who had to leave for her appointment in a few minutes did not make for the best environment. So I offered to have them sit down on our front porch in our three porch chairs—except two of the three chairs seemed to have gone missing.</p>
<p>So we stood around. Ugh.</p>
<p>I then began to commit a series of errors. Instead of steering the conversation toward the divinity of Jesus (as the JWs believe Jesus is a created being, the archangel Michael), I let myself get dragged to the end of that discussion prematurely, as we somehow jumped right to the Trinity, which requires nearly a full overview of Scripture to present accurately (as the JWs do well at dismantling piecemeal Scriptures on the Trinity, especially when presented standing around on someone&#8217;s front porch). When I attempted to go back to the issue of Jesus&#8217; divinity, I asked for the junior JW&#8217;s New World Translation and immediately realized I couldn&#8217;t read it; the words were too small. This meant going to find either of the two pair of  reading glasses I now own—of course, both eluded me. Then, I got the &#8220;brilliant&#8221; idea while looking for my glasses to pull out my Aland Greek New Testament in case we stumbled into differences between the NWT and the genuine text. Five minutes later, I think, I got back outside, hoping to talk more about the tirpartite nature of man and how it reflects the Trinitarian nature of God, but somehow I spent most of that time thumbing my way through my Greek NT and not enough concentrating on the tripartite explanation. Meanwhile, the truth of Jesus&#8217; divinity was receding into the murky past of the conversation. At this point, my wife informed us that she must leave and the JWs&#8217; car was blocking our driveway. Seeing this as the perfect out, the senior JW said it was obvious they and I were at completely different places and were never going to come to any agreement on anything, so so long, buh-bye.</p>
<p>And with that, there was no joy in Mudville; mighty Casey had struck out.</p>
<p>The postmortem of this moment doesn&#8217;t need the team from <em>CSI </em>to enunciate what went wrong. Anyone want to venture the answer?</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that I was stressed by the events of the morning.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the time crunch or the blocked driveway.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t an inadequate knowledge of the theology of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses.</p>
<p>And it wasn&#8217;t an inadequate knowledge of Christian doctrine.</p>
<p>What made the morning less than stellar was that I left the Holy Spirit out of that golden opportunity.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been talking for the last few weeks about what it&#8217;s going to take to get the American Church educated in the deep truths of the Faith, but what I want to add right now is that all the Bible-learnin&#8217; in the world is pointless without the Holy Spirit to pull it all together and make it scintillate in our spirits.</p>
<p>I know plenty of Christians who can handle the Bible well. I know plenty of Christians who claim to know the voice of the Holy Spirit. But the kind of Christian I rarely meet is the one who puts both together.</p>
<p>You have on one side the intellectuals with their systematic theologies who could mount an apologetic that rolls like thunder but are tone deaf when it comes to listening to instructions from the Holy Spirit.<img title="Word of God speak by Your Holy Spirit" src="/images/2009/spirit_word.jpg" border="0" alt="Word of God speak by Your Holy Spirit" width="285" height="214" align="left" /> On the other side are the charismatics who are always talking about the revelation they&#8217;re receiving by the Holy Spirit but who will search for hours if you ask them to locate the Book of Hezekiah in their Bibles.</p>
<p>My problem that August morning was that I didn&#8217;t ask the Holy Spirit to take charge of the time and guide me His way. I barged ahead like one of those deaf intellectuals, smug in my learnin&#8217;.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re to make a difference in the education of Christians in America, we have got to start bridging the gap between the word of God and the Spirit of God. Because in truth, the only gap that exists in that gapless relationship occurs because of you and me. We&#8217;re the problem. The Spirit and the Scriptures are perfect.</p>
<p>And so I ask, what churches out there are teaching people how to listen to the Holy Spirit when it comes to correctly handling the Scriptures?</p>
<p>Because it doesn&#8217;t work if we know the Bible but can&#8217;t hear the voice of the Spirit tell us how to understand and use it. And it doesn&#8217;t work if charismatics go on and on about their spiritual gifts but then don&#8217;t give the Spirit of God the fodder of His learned word to work from.</p>
<p>If you are in a church that does a great job teaching the Bible but not listening to the Spirit, then you may be getting only part of the story. And chances are, your use of the Bible in those cases when you really need it are going to fall under the label of &#8220;the flesh,&#8221; and your effectiveness will be diminished. Likewise, if you are in a charismatic church that teaches how to hear the Holy Spirit, yet the average person can&#8217;t string together five verses to show why Jesus is God, then you are not putting it all together, either.</p>
<p>If we are to be effective ministers of the Gospel, we have to rely on the voice of the Spirit to lead us in all situations, especially in how to correctly handle the Bible. And we have got to ensure we know the Bible if we are to give the Holy Spirit living in us the free access to the discipline of our study.</p>
<p>Jesus didn&#8217;t drop Biblical knowledge into the heads of the disciples at Pentecost. He made what was already there more clear and more transformational. The Spirit brought to mind the time those men had shared with Jesus and amplified the Savior&#8217;s teachings. The Spirit made use of what had already been implanted.</p>
<p>And so it must be with us. It&#8217;s not enough to know the Bible or say we have the Spirit living in us. Unless we learn the synergy of the Spirit and the word (and—unlike me—ALWAYS rely on it), we&#8217;re going to whiff again and again.</p>
<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/08/equipping-the-saints-the-synergy-of-spirit-word.html">Equipping the Saints: The Synergy of Spirit &#038; Word</a></p>

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	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/07/what-the-american-church-is-doing-right-part-2.html" title="What the American Church Is Doing Right, Part 2 (July 19, 2006)">What the American Church Is Doing Right, Part 2</a> (5)</li>
	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/the-three-marks-of-genuine-power-evangelism.html" title="The Three Marks of Genuine Power Evangelism (July 29, 2009)">The Three Marks of Genuine Power Evangelism</a> (25)</li>
	<li><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/06/the-one-who-left-the-gate-ajar.html" title="The One Who Left the Gate Ajar (June 8, 2009)">The One Who Left the Gate Ajar</a> (39)</li>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Edelen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my previous post, &#8220;Fumbling the Gospel,&#8221; I noted that many charismatic churches are using what is known as &#8220;power evangelism&#8221; to reach the lost. Power evangelism employs the Holy Spirit-given charismatic gifts to heal and speak words of knowledge and prophecy into the lives of people who do not know Jesus.
I fully support power [...]<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/the-three-marks-of-genuine-power-evangelism.html">The Three Marks of Genuine Power Evangelism</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my previous post, &#8220;<a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/fumbling-the-gospel.html"title="Link to a previous post, 'Fumbling the Gospel'"  target="_blank">Fumbling the Gospel</a>,&#8221; I noted that many charismatic churches are using what is known as &#8220;power evangelism&#8221; to reach the lost. Power evangelism employs the Holy Spirit-given charismatic gifts to heal and speak words of knowledge and prophecy into the lives of people who do not know Jesus.</p>
<p>I fully support power evangelism done by genuine believers who can fully articulate <a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/how-to-become-a-christian.html"title="Link to a previous post, 'How to Become a Christian'" >the Gospel</a>. Whether that&#8217;s the case in what passes for power evangelism in some sectors of the Church today is the question and the gist of my previous post.</p>
<p>Today, I feel compelled to add one more point to that post.</p>
<p>When you closely examine the &#8220;gospel&#8221; that many churches in America preach today, it is not the real Gospel. In too many cases, it fails to emphasize three core principles of the real thing:</p>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Conviction of sin in the presence of a holy God</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">When the prophet Isaiah had a vision of God, notice his response:</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called to another and said: &#8220;Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!&#8221; And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. And I said: &#8220;Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!&#8221;<br />
—Isaiah 6:1-5</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In the presence of a God called &#8220;Holy, Holy, Holy,&#8221; Isaiah, though called to be a prophet of God, immediately was undone by his own sinfulness in the presence of supreme holiness. As Isaiah stared into the reflecting mirror of God&#8217;s holiness, he saw a creature of his worst nightmares staring back. And he cried out in his guilt for being a sinful man.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The Bible notes that Isaiah is not alone:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8230;for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God&#8230;<br />
—Romans 3:23</p>
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<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">2. The death of self at the cross</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The Apostle Paul writes of the one thing of which he must speak boldly:</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.<br />
—Galatians 6:14-15</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">All the world&#8217;s religions, save for Christianity, are little more than rules that no one can fully abide by. Each of us has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, no matter how many religious rules we try to keep. Only Jesus Christ perfectly kept the rules of God, and so being perfect, He took our place of punishment on the cross and served as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. As one popular Christian song states, &#8220;The cross has said it all.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Paul said earlier in that same letter to the Church in Galatia:</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.<br />
—Galatians 2:20</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">If people don&#8217;t make it to the cross, then they never die to self. And if they never die to self, then they are not new creations. Because the only kind of Christian that God can fully use is the one who has died to the self that was the old man and been born again into Christ.</p>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Genuine repentance</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Sadly, the portrait of Jesus often sold to people today is of the weepy-eyed sort who loves infants and little lambs. Yes, that side of Jesus is real. Yet He had another side that too many churches fail to promote as part of the whole Gospel:</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>There were some present at that very time who told [Jesus] about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered them, &#8220;Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.&#8221;<br />
—Luke 13:1-5</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Jesus called John the Baptist the greatest of the prophets. What was John&#8217;s message?</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, &#8220;Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.&#8221;<br />
—Matthew 3:1-2</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Shortly after being baptized by John, Jesus began His own public ministry. His message?</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, &#8220;Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.&#8221;<br />
—Matthew 4:17</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">After Pentecost, when Jesus had been resurrected, had ascended into heaven, and the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the disciples who had followed Jesus, they had something to tell the world. That message?</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;"><p>And Peter said to them, &#8220;Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.&#8221;<br />
—Acts 2:38-39</p></blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Do you think repentance is a big deal to God?</p>
<p>That last verse I quoted, Acts 2:38-39, is preceded by the Holy Spirit falling in power on the followers of Jesus at Pentecost. Those indwelt by the Spirit spoke in tongues and exhibited the power of the Holy Spirit&#8217;s gifts, the charismata. That power was so stunning that 3,000 people watching the events of that day surrendered their lives to Jesus. Talk about power evangelism!</p>
<p>But what immediately preceded verses 38-39 is a telling response by the crowd of unbelieving onlookers to the words of Peter concerning the truth of Jesus and the power they had seen wrought in that gathering place by the Holy Spirit:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, &#8220;Brothers, what shall we do?&#8221;<br />
—Acts 2:37</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not a simple question but a desperate one, the same kind of angst-filled reply that burned in the heart of Isaiah when confronted with the holiness of God and the true nature of his state before that holy God. It&#8217;s the conviction of sin.</p>
<p>When the Holy Spirit touches sinful people, He ALWAYS brings conviction of sin because He is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. <img title="Prostrate before the Lord in repentance" src="/images/prostrate.jpg" border="0" alt="Prostrate before the Lord in repentance" width="285" height="183" align="right" />Every great revival of the last 300 years of recorded history has been marked by conviction of sin, people fleeing to the cross, and genuine repentance. The First and Second Great Awakenings, the Welsh Revival, the Azusa Street Revival—when Christians (especially charismatics) start talking about the Holy Spirit in revival, the results always lead to conviction, the cross, and repentance. ALWAYS.</p>
<p>So when I&#8217;m told about power evangelism supposedly being done in the power of the Holy Spirit, if I don&#8217;t hear about people coming to conviction, dying at the cross, and genuinely repenting of their dark sins in the light of the purity of the Holy Spirit, then I have got to wonder. Without those three essentials occurring in the lives of people touched by some sort of powerful spirit, I wonder just what spirit they received. Is it possible they are being influenced by a spirit who is not the Holy Spirit of God?</p>
<p>Real power evangelism done through the genuine power of the real Holy Spirit will convict people of their sins, drive them to the cross, and lead them to repentance. The Bible tells us this, and the great revivals of history add their own yes and amen.</p>
<p>If you are doing power evangelism and conviction of sin, dying to self at the cross, and repentance are not immediately following people&#8217;s power encounters, then stop what you are doing and ask yourself if you are truly ministering the genuine Holy Spirit to people.</p>
<p>We have got to stop being ignorant of the truths of God. This is simple stuff, but people are not using even basic biblical discernment to understand these truths. It&#8217;s just another example of how a lack of understanding of the words of the Bible leads to all manner of error. Better to know the Bible inside and out before one attempts anything resembling power evangelism.</p>
<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/the-three-marks-of-genuine-power-evangelism.html">The Three Marks of Genuine Power Evangelism</a></p>

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		<description><![CDATA[I would prefer not to start the week with a rant, but this one has been stewing in me for some time, and unless I get it out, it will only nag at me further.
Please read this post today, even if you&#8217;re not up for an in-your-face message. And while much of this is aimed [...]<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/fumbling-the-gospel.html">Fumbling the Gospel</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer not to start the week with a rant, but this one has been stewing in me for some time, and unless I get it out, it will only nag at me further.</p>
<p>Please read this post today, even if you&#8217;re not up for an in-your-face message. And while much of this is aimed at charismatics, it applies to everyone. Because it&#8217;s not just charismatics who are missing the point.</p>
<p>I write this today because my heart is just sick with the way we are presenting the Gospel to the lost. I&#8217;m writing because our teens are not getting the proper indoctrination into the Faith. I&#8217;m writing because I am tired of fellow charismatics who treat the Holy Spirit like a cudgel. I&#8217;m writing because a lot of people who &#8220;asked Jesus into their heart&#8221; are going to hell.</p>
<p>The pastor of my former church linked from Facebook to the following video:</p>
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<p>This video, as labeled, purports to show healing revival going on at Disneyland. A group of Christians wanted to pray for strangers at the park. My response: Great! Go for it!</p>
<p>But then the uh-ohs start. You can find one between 40-50 seconds in. Another comes at 4:07-4:20.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a move in some charismatic churches into what has been deemed &#8220;power evangelism.&#8221; For those not familiar with the term, it involves using the charismata to evangelize people. This includes healing encounters and speaking words of knowledge and prophecy to the lost.</p>
<p>I want to state upfront that I believe power evangelism can be a remarkable tool to lead people to Christ.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a big &#8220;IF&#8221; attached to that statement. And part of that if shows at the 4:07 mark.</p>
<p>Power evangelism works if power encounters with the Holy Spirit are immediately followed with the truth of God&#8217;s word, the presentation of the Gospel, repentance, and a completely changed life. In that way, people who have genuine power encounters with the Holy Spirit are not just affected by the power encounter, but by the reality of who Jesus is as presented in the Gospel.</p>
<p>When I hear people claiming to be born again because they asked Jesus into their heart, it riles me. Not because Jesus doesn&#8217;t dwell in the believer, but because the whole idea of asking Jesus into one&#8217;s heart has no biblical basis for salvation.</p>
<p>Paul Washer provides an eloquent counter to this unbiblical concept. I encourage you heartily to watch the whole video. It&#8217;s worth it:<br />
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<p>Entire churches are dedicated to equipping their youth for power evangelism <a href="https://www.ibethel.org/features/testimonies/index.php?f=testimonies.php&amp;d=354" rel="nofollow" title="Link to Beth Church youth site"  target="_blank">(such as this well-known example</a>). And while on the surface that sounds awesome, I have enormous reservations.</p>
<p>My key reservation is the same concern shared by Paul Washer: We evangelicals and charismatics no longer understand what the Gospel is. And we don&#8217;t understand it because the people who are supposed to be transmitting the truth of the eternal Gospel of Jesus Christ have fallen down on the job, distracted by prosperity teachings, comfort, the American Dream, fun, entertainment, self-help, and even, sad to say, power encounters with the Holy Spirit (the why of which I&#8217;ll explain later on).</p>
<p>I think it would be safe to say that  the average teen in a charismatic church who may be receiving encouragement to do power evangelism can&#8217;t articulate what the real Gospel is. In fact, knowing what I know of youth ministry today, I doubt that most teens in evangelical or charismatic churches could lay out a basic plan of salvation with a half dozen Bible verses in support.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a crime.</p>
<p>Say a youth group decides to go out and do prophetic prayer ministry at a mall filled with lost people. A few scenarios exist:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Teen prays a prophetic word over someone. Person blows them off and walks away. Result: That person may stay lost because they have not heard the Gospel.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Teen prays a prophetic word over someone. Person listens, is touched by the prayer, but walks away. Result: That person may stay lost because they have not heard the Gospel.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Teen prays a prophetic word over someone. Person listens, is touched, and asks what next to do. Person is told to ask Jesus into his/her heart. Result: That person may stay lost because they have not heard the Gospel.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Teen prays a prophetic word over someone. Person listens, is touched, and asks what next to do. Person is told to ask Jesus into his/her heart. That person manages to retain enough interest in the experience to look into it further and, hopefully, stumbles across someone someday who actually explains the real Gospel to them. Result: That person may truly get saved and develop a love relationship with Jesus.</p>
<p>Numbers 1 through 3 are a complete loss, in my opinion, while 4 is the equivalent of fumbling the football and hoping your side recovers the loose pigskin—except in this gridiron classic, there&#8217;s not just one team playing against you, but hundreds, if not thousands.</p>
<p>Chances are, these mallwalkers who do bite may taste the fruits of heaven, end up calling themselves Christians, and fall into that netherworld of religiosity dominated by what I call &#8220;<a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2006/06/the-antiwitness.html"title="Link to a previous Cerulean Sanctum post" >antiwitnesses</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too cynical? Well, I&#8217;m not done yet&#8230;</p>
<p>If the teens on this prophetic outreach can&#8217;t articulate the Gospel, can we be sure they even know what it is? And if they don&#8217;t know what it is, then are they truly saved themselves? And if all this is in question, what spirit is driving their power evangelism? Yikes!</p>
<p>(If you think I&#8217;m just charismatic bashing, then you&#8217;ll have to argue with well-known charismatics <a href="http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~revival/ask.html" rel="nofollow" title="Strom on asking Jesus into one's heart" >Andrew Strom</a> and <a href="http://www.revivalschool.com/dprince.html" rel="nofollow" title="Prince on discerning genuine charismata from false" >Derek Prince</a> on these same issues. And for evangelicals, see &#8220;<a href="http://christianincollege.com/2008/11/19/ten-reasons-to-not-ask-jesus-into-your-heart/" rel="nofollow" title="Link to Christian in College site"  target="_blank">10 Reasons to Not Ask Jesus into Your Heart</a>.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Youth ministry in this country is in a full-on freefall if we look at its ultimate results. Surveys by many of the most respected Christian pollsters and organizations repeatedly show that <a href="http://www.conversantlife.com/theology/how-many-youth-are-leaving-the-church" rel="nofollow" title="Link to post with poll figures" >the majority of our supposedly born-again young people go into college as Christians and come out as unbelievers</a>. George Barna paints an even bleaker picture, wherein only 0.5% of those ages 18-23 hold what is considered to be a traditional Christian worldview. No matter how you may want to slice and dice Barna&#8217;s figure, it&#8217;s a tragedy.</p>
<p>Those heartwrenching numbers exist solely because we in the Church today are not instructing our young people in the faith. They don&#8217;t know the Gospel. If they did, they wouldn&#8217;t be falling away in droves.</p>
<p>Instead, we teach kids who may not know the Gospel how to do power evangelism. Then they go around trumpeting how they&#8217;re going to &#8220;whack people up with the Holy Spirit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;d like to &#8220;whack up&#8221; whatever heretical &#8220;teacher&#8221; ever taught someone to talk about the blessed Holy Spirit in such a crass, demeaning way. Godless people speak that way about the members of the Trinity, not those who are indwelt by the genuine Holy Spirit. And for another thing, the Holy Spirit exists to relentlessly point to Jesus, not to Himself. Again, if we don&#8217;t know that, we don&#8217;t know the Gospel.</p>
<p>Are you mad yet at the foolishness that passes for discipleship and ministry today?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t give a howitzer to a baby, no matter how much they may scream for it. The early Church did not let people go off spiritually half-cocked like we do today. Maturity was lauded and immaturity criticized.</p>
<p>We MUST instruct the immature in the basics of the faith. Any 13-year-old kid who was raised in a church MUST be able to espouse basic doctrine, including the core of the Gospel,  in a coherent way. When I was that age, I had to study my Lutheran catechism for hours, do personal Bible study on basic doctrine, and sit through a one-hour, two-on-one  grilling on tough issues of the faith by the pastor and youth worker before I was considered an adult member of the church.</p>
<p>We have GOT to get back to that kind of intensive discipleship or this will be the terminal generation of the Church. God will not forever excuse the kind of educational folly we&#8217;re practicing in all too many churches before He takes decisive action.</p>
<p>In a bit of sychronicity, I happened to stumble across a likeminded post over at iMonk&#8217;s blog, &#8220;<a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/higher-things-a-new-model-of-youth-ministryan-interview-with-pr-bill-cwirla" rel="nofollow" title="Link to iMonk post on youth ministry done right"  target="_blank">Higher Things: A New Model of Youth Ministry</a>.&#8221; It reads like a breath of fresh air, even if it&#8217;s again the Lutherans doing it right. I&#8217;m just glad SOMEONE takes ministry to the next generation seriously. Much more power to &#8216;em.</p>
<p>But as for the rest of us, we&#8217;re atrocious at turning our young people into mature Christians. Atrocious. Too many distractions knock us off the core, foundational doctrines.</p>
<p>Power evangelism is incredible when it&#8217;s in the hands of people who know the Gospel, can articulate it, and know how to discern good from evil. But that simply is not our young people today.</p>
<p>If we want to undermine the Church in America even more, let&#8217;s keep being stupid about discipleship. But God help us then on Judgment Day.</p>
<p>This feed is from Cerulean Sanctum (http://ceruleansanctum.com), a blog by Dan Edelen that covers issues facing the American Church.<br/><br/><a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2009/07/fumbling-the-gospel.html">Fumbling the Gospel</a></p>

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