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		<category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Benevolence" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Christianity in North America" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Church Issues" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Counterculture" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Dying to Self" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Godly Character" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Grace" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Humility" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Judgmentalism" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Maturity" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Age" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Caught in Adultery" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Christian Maturity" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Forgiveness" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Mercy" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Old Age" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Pride" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Repentance" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Self-Examination" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Self-Righteousness" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Sin" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Stoning" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Wisdom" />		<summary type="html"><![CDATA[One of the goals I have for Cerulean Sanctum is to carve out a godly middle ground on the issues that face the American Church while at the same time never backing down from what needs to be said. Despite the fact that I work hard to find a more godly response to those issues, [...]]]></summary>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/dropping-our-stones.html">&lt;p&gt;One of the goals I have for Cerulean Sanctum is to carve out a godly middle ground on the issues that face the American Church while at the same time never backing down from what needs to be said. Despite the fact that I work hard to find a more godly response to those issues, I&amp;#8217;ve had a few people label me an angry young man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We Americans have always held the angry young man in esteem, especially when that angry young man dispenses his brand of angry young man justice on despicable villains. On the other hand, there&amp;#8217;s something about being an angry old man that unnerves us. We have an equation worked out in our heads that looks something like this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left: 30px;"&gt;Young + Angry = Hero&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left: 30px;"&gt;Old + Angry = Crank&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watch this play out in public and you soon learn that you&amp;#8217;re given a pass till about age 35, then you start sliding into crankhood. That age didn&amp;#8217;t escape the notice of the founders of this country, either. No one can occupy the highest office in the land until 35.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe the founders understood a deep truth that plays out in the eighth chapter of John:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, &amp;#8220;Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?&amp;#8221; This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, &amp;#8220;Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.&amp;#8221; And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her, &amp;#8220;Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?&amp;#8221; She said, &amp;#8220;No one, Lord.&amp;#8221; And Jesus said, &amp;#8220;Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.&amp;#8221; &lt;br /&gt;
—John 8:3-11&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My revelation in understanding this passage came when I understood the second half of this snippet:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8230;they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones&amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me, that&amp;#8217;s one of the greatest strings of 11 words ever committed to print.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do we understand the profundity of John&amp;#8217;s Spirit-inspired words here?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you&amp;#8217;re an angry young man, your blood boils at the thought of a good stoning. Finding the perfect rock, heavy, jagged even. You feel the adrenaline enliven your muscles, engorging them with blood. The smell of sweat. Loud roars from angry men shouting for justice. The adultress&amp;#8217;s vile perfume stinging your nose. The thought that you can get in the first throw. Wham!  A head shot! That perfect throw that smashes her skull and caves in her head. Your throw. Your death strike against sin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you see it? Can you taste how bad you want it to play out in life as it does in your mind&amp;#8217;s eye?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But when you&amp;#8217;re an older man, it should be different.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You look around and see an old friend standing off to the side, his grip on his stone not so tight. The light had been dim, but you thought you saw him come out of her place a month ago, &lt;img title="Vasiliy Polenov-- detail from 'Christ and Woman Taken in Adultery'" src="/images/2008/caught_adultery.jpg" border="0" alt="Vasiliy Polenov-- detail from 'Christ and Woman Taken in Adultery'" width="285" height="185" align="left" /&gt;though you told yourself otherwise. He casts a downturned glance your way because you know, and he knows, too. And what of your own struggles? Who knows about your private sin, your little dalliance from years ago, and how you thanked God every day that you weren&amp;#8217;t found out? Though in the end, who can hide anything from God? It should be you in that circle with that woman, shouldn&amp;#8217;t it? In fact, it could be every man standing around that woman, stone in hand. All of you, ready to have your teeth shattered, your bones broken. Every last one of you. Buried under a pile of well-deserved stones. Because you had it coming as much as that woman before you now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the greatest self-deceptions the devil throws at us is that our sin is somehow not as bad as their sin, no matter who &amp;#8220;they&amp;#8221; might be. I wonder how many of us who should know better still cling to that angry young man we should&amp;#8217;ve put to death a long, long time ago as part of our maturity in Christ. As much as we talk about grace, too few of us actually dispense it. There is nothing sadder under the sun than an old man, stone still in hand, ready to throw it at whomever he classifies as deserving of it&amp;#8217;s granite sting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It amazes and saddens me that so many Christians out there who should know better can&amp;#8217;t drop their stone. They&amp;#8217;ve got to hurl it at all cost. And they do so because they have no concept of grace or of their own sin. They live an unexamined life that focuses on everyone else&amp;#8217;s failures and none of their own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tim Keller and David Powlison wrote eloquently on one way in which we can learn to drop the stone. I would encourage everyone to &lt;a title="Link to a post at Between Two Worlds" href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/08/keller-and-powlison-should-you-pass-on.html" target="_blank"&gt;read it here&lt;/a&gt;,  bloggers especially.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The old adage goes &amp;#8220;There&amp;#8217;s no fool like an old fool.&amp;#8221; God help us if Christian maturity doesn&amp;#8217;t lead us beyond the angry young man stage and into the wisdom of dropping our stones.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Spiritual Lust and Infatuation]]></title>
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		<updated>2008-08-05T15:47:06Z</updated>
		<published>2008-08-05T05:16:36Z</published>
		<category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Charismatic" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Church Issues" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Community" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Discernment" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Dying to Self" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Godly Character" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Heresy" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Humility" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Maturity" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Oddities" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Growth" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Infatuation" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Longing" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Lust" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Spiritual Disciplines" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Spiritual Growth" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Spiritual Infatuation" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Spiritual Lust" />		<summary type="html"><![CDATA[A couple weeks back, I posted that one of the Enemy&#8217;s tricks is to stoke the fires of wanting more (&#8221;Tangleknot on Leading the Opponent&#8217;s Subjects Astray&#8220;). In that desire for more, Christians may even make the mistake of overdesiring to grow deeper in the Faith.
&#8220;But, Dan,&#8221; you say, &#8220;how can that ever be a [...]]]></summary>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/spiritual-lust-and-infatuation.html">&lt;p&gt;A couple weeks back, I posted that one of the Enemy&amp;#8217;s tricks is to stoke the fires of wanting more (&amp;#8221;&lt;a title="Link to a previous post" href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/tangleknot-on-leading-the-opponents-subjects-astray.html" target="_blank"&gt;Tangleknot on Leading the Opponent&amp;#8217;s Subjects Astray&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#8220;). In that desire for more, Christians may even make the mistake of overdesiring to grow deeper in the Faith.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;But, Dan,&amp;#8221; you say, &amp;#8220;how can that ever be a bad thing?&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, it&amp;#8217;s a bad thing when it leads to spiritual lust.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lust happens when all the boundaries that normally hold good gifts in check fall away, leaving a naked core of desire that knows no limitations. It&amp;#8217;s playing the piano—by dropping bricks on the strings. Performing that way may make a sound, but it&amp;#8217;s noise, not beautiful music. It&amp;#8217;s a misguided approach. Should one want to play the piano correctly, one should play it as its design demands it be played. And as any skilled pianist can attest, one does not go from &amp;#8220;Chopsticks&amp;#8221; to Carnegie Hall overnight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spiritual lust occurs when Christians in their desire to know God violate the design He created by which we can know Him, grow in Him, and develop intimacy with Him. In the desire to know God, people inflamed by spiritual lust can instead find themselves drawn away from God because they violated His means of approaching Him. They become moths drawn to a flame, plunging down the pathway toward strange fire.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spiritual lust is a kind of addictive behavior because it will drink whatever it can find to feed the thirst.  A little or a lot, it doesn&amp;#8217;t matter. Nor does the quality of the spiritual experience or its rightness in the eyes of God. Spiritual lust makes demands that must be filled, no matter the expense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That addiction often leads Christians into pointless searches for truth in places where no truth (or precious little) can be found. &lt;img title="Adoring fans..." src="/images/2008/adoringfans.jpg" border="0" alt="Adoring fans..." width="285" height="214" align="right" /&gt;A prospector looking for gold nuggets would not likely find them examining the contents of a septic tank. Yet this is what some Christians do when they go on quests to find the truth of God in other religions. Or it&amp;#8217;s what too many charismatics do when they hop a jet bound for the far side of the world to bask in some new &amp;#8220;revival&amp;#8221; rather than finding God right where He has always been. Some Christians will tolerate all manner of skubalon in hopes of finding some tiny morsel to feed their spiritual rapaciousness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sad truth is no path to deeper intimacy with God exists than the old-fashioned ways found through the classic spiritual disciplines of the faith. We can’t help but grow in the Lord if we pray, study, meditate, fast, embrace solitude, practice submission, live simply, serve others, worship, confess our sins, seek guidance from the Lord, and celebrate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too many Christians want faster methods than those. Or they want whatever&amp;#8217;s &amp;#8220;new.&amp;#8221; But both of those are simply spiritual lust. And God will never be honored through lust of any kind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spiritual infatuation tangentially connects with spiritual lust, but in a different way. It&amp;#8217;s what happens to Christians who begin to veer into spiritual lust, but who sidetrack quickly because they find what they believe to be the perfect object of their theological affection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as we old fogies get a whimsically nostalgic smile on our faces when we see a young teen utterly smitten with another, so it is that we recognize the signs when a young Christian has discovered a truth for the first time. How many times have we seen others find a tiny nugget of truth they then use as the sole basis for constructing elaborate theologies? How often do we run into other Christians, even older ones who should know better, who are infatuated with one truth to the point that all other godly truths become irrelevant?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have many friends who are involved in the International House of Prayer (IHOP). IHOP has built much of its teaching foundation around Mike Bickle&amp;#8217;s concept of Bridal Theology, connecting the Song of Solomon to Revelation&amp;#8217;s depiction of the Bride of Christ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though I have grave concerns regarding Bickle and the Kansas City Prophets movement he came out of, I think that the Bible does show that God has a profound love for us akin to that of a groom for his bride. We Christians can be encouraged by this understanding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But a problem swiftly rises: Building an entire theology off bridal imagery leaves out a big chunk of the rest of the Bible. Doing so avoids other perfectly legitimate explanations of the Gospel. It also forces proponents to keep expanding the morsel, blowing it out of proportion to its basic reality. Think how easily infatuated kids gush about their objects of affection, inevitably magnifying the character of that person to superhuman—and clearly mistaken—levels. After awhile, the voice of reason no longer penetrates the gauzy dreams erected by the infatuated. The infatuated filter their entire experience of reality through their infatuation. And we all know where that leads.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But before some of you high-five each other and yell, &amp;#8220;Dude, Edelen totally dissed IHOP,&amp;#8221; let me offer a different subject: atonement. A gnarly subject, yes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many reading this will defend a penal substitutionary view of atonement to the death. I, myself, believe in a penal substitutionary atonement. That said, I will also claim that some of the other views on the atonement (such as the ransom, governmental, Christus Victor, and satisfaction views ) all have some very good points going for them. In fact, it may even be possible—at least as I see it—that all those views work together in synergy much the same way that the four Gospels reinforce each other and give us a more complete understanding of Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I know, heresy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you get to the heart of this problem, though, too often the pitchfork and torches crowd are the ones suffering from a spiritual infatuation. Remember, if Martin Luther hadn&amp;#8217;t called the Roman Catholic Church on its spiritual infatuations&amp;#8230;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spiritual lust and spiritual infatuation lead to one unavoidable reality: a defective understanding of the revealed truths of God. And that defective understanding leads to all sorts of blindness and error when taken to extremes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trust me, too many of us take them to their extremes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of us suffer from some amount of spiritual lust and spiritual infatuation; it&amp;#8217;s part of the human condition. That said, we don&amp;#8217;t have to be complacent about this tendency. True growth in Christ comes when we seek Him rightly, discern truth from error, and allow Him to show us how our infatuations may be keeping us from knowing Him by His design and in His time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Sunday Fibbers]]></title>
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		<updated>2008-08-03T05:14:13Z</updated>
		<published>2008-08-04T04:01:53Z</published>
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The Wall Street Journal of 8/2/08 had an interesting article (&#8221;When Voters Lie&#8221;) that showed, perhaps, we&#8217;ve been overestimating that number. And the way we&#8217;re polled may explain why.
When asked if [...]]]></summary>
		<content type="html" xml:base="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/08/sunday-fibbers.html">&lt;p&gt;For nearly all my adult life I have been told that about 45 percent of Americans attend religious services (primarily Christian or Jewish) each weekend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Wall Street Journal&lt;/em&gt; of 8/2/08 had an interesting article (&amp;#8221;When Voters Lie&amp;#8221;) that showed, perhaps, we&amp;#8217;ve been overestimating that number. And the way we&amp;#8217;re polled may explain why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When asked if they attend religious services most weeks, 56 percent of those asked by a human interviewer said they did. However, when people responded to that same question posed by an online computer survey, with no human interviewer involved, only 25 percent responded positively.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something in us still wants to hold up religiosity as a positive trait when we interact with others, but the second it&amp;#8217;s an impersonal connection, the truth comes out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What&amp;#8217;s your take on this phenomenon?&lt;/p&gt;
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	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/04/the-two-christianities-comparison-table.html" title="The Two Christianities: Comparison Table (April 19, 2007)"&gt;The Two Christianities: Comparison Table&lt;/a&gt; (42)&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2007/09/the-spirit-has-left-the-building-more-thoughts.html" title="The Spirit Has Left the Building&amp;#8212;More Thoughts (September 17, 2007)"&gt;The Spirit Has Left the Building&amp;#8212;More Thoughts&lt;/a&gt; (14)&lt;/li&gt;
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Who&#8217;s to Blame for the Prosperity Gospel?]]></title>
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		<updated>2008-08-04T04:46:11Z</updated>
		<published>2008-07-30T04:01:46Z</published>
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 —1 Samuel 2:7-8a

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		<content type="html" xml:base="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/whos-to-blame-for-the-prosperity-gospel.html">&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The LORD makes poor and makes rich; he brings low and he exalts. He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor.&lt;br /&gt;
 —1 Samuel 2:7-8a&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Yesterday, a reader left this comment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s even worse, it seems, on the black gospel music stations where most of the teaching and much of the music is infected with the widely popular health/wealth/prosperity “gospel.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;d like to comment on this by asking why it might be that so many black Christians find prosperity teachings attractive. &lt;img title="Money, money, money , money...money" src="/images/2008/hamiltons.jpg" border="0" alt="Money, money, money , money...money" width="285" height="212" align="left" /&gt;Sadly, that&amp;#8217;s not a question too many opponents of the &amp;#8220;prosperity gospel&amp;#8221; dare ask because the ultimate answer strikes a little too close to home.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider a similar scenario. Evangelicals who went ballistic over the Emerging Church lacked the nerve to ask why the Emerging Church existed. Many times here, I discussed why: It was a reaction against Evangelicalism&amp;#8217;s many blinders, especially on issues of nonexistent community, a lack of social justice for the oppressed, and rampant consumerism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet rather than consider the possible truth of even one scrap of the Emerging Church protest, the loudest voices in Evangelicalism let loose with a tirade about the bad theology in the Emerging Church (and hey, let&amp;#8217;s be honest, it was atrocious theology in many cases). Rarely, though, was there any Evangelical self-examination.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find it both dispiriting and amusing that the very same Christians who idolize the Reformation revert to Catholic theology when it comes to these types of battles.  It&amp;#8217;s always their own sins that are venial, while their opponents&amp;#8217; are the most vile, wicked, mortal sins imaginable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the same is true of this battle over the so-called prosperity gospel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s not for no reason that the prosperity gospel exists. This may only be my experience, but it seems to me that the loudest voices crying out against the prosperity gospel come from those people who never wanted a day in their lives for anything. They never went to bed hungry. Never saw all the other kids get nice toys for their birthday while they got busted up junk those others threw away. The people who complain loudest against prosperity teachings are most likely to be the same people whose money could buy them out of every problem, and whose lifestyles define prosperity, God or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You see, it&amp;#8217;s darned easy to come down against someone&amp;#8217;s misplaced hope of escaping poverty when you&amp;#8217;re already prosperous. In many ways, that viewpoint is the same one that seeks to keep &amp;#8220;those people&amp;#8221; down, lest &amp;#8220;those people&amp;#8221; rise up and end the party. And that&amp;#8217;s reprehensible self-righteousness and pride.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, it&amp;#8217;s equally reprehensible that many of the proponents of prosperity teaching get rich off the backs of their poor followers. Those false teachers and leaders deserve a special place in hell and may actually find that their hoped for heavenly mansion of gold ends up looking more like a lake of fire.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet for all the anti-prosperity-gospel talk out there, the Bible contains more words about prospering this side of heaven than the opponents care to address. The patriarchs were not a poverty-stricken lot. The Lord promises hundreds of times that He will pour out plenty on those who are obedient to Him. He rewards those who seek Him, and not just with spiritual gain, but also material. God leads His people into a land of milk and honey. The reaper overtakes the plowman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;m not going to try to proof text this point. If you must, just look up the word &lt;em&gt;prosper &lt;/em&gt;in a concordance. God prospers his people both spiritually and materially. It&amp;#8217;s there, really; I&amp;#8217;m not making it up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, people who put all their trust in the material, who build huge barns to store all their accumulated worldly wealth, often run into an impoverishment of the soul. And that&amp;#8217;s a state of being God is none too happy about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether you&amp;#8217;re a prosperity gospel fan or foe, whether you can trot out battling Bible verses to bolster your position, the solution to this theological war is found in an achingly simple response. You see God already shows us how to live in a way that satisfies both sides of this issue:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. And they devoted themselves to the apostles&amp;#8217; teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. &lt;br /&gt;
 —Acts 2:41-45&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles&amp;#8217; feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. &lt;br /&gt;
 —Acts 4:32-35&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Folks, the point is moot. When the Church is living this way, no matter which side you are on in the prosperity gospel battle, you will find your answer here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you see, we don&amp;#8217;t want to deal with those two passages in Acts because they stand as an indictment against how we live, whether we&amp;#8217;re rich or poor. The greed and hard-heartedness that keeps us from fulfilling these passages in Acts today afflicts both those with and those without.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I mention these verses and ask why we&amp;#8217;re not living this way, a million excuses come out. I know; I&amp;#8217;ve heard them all. It gets a little depressing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So maybe in the eyes of God it doesn&amp;#8217;t matter if we&amp;#8217;ve gone off into &amp;#8220;Lord, I name and claim a Lexus—a gold-colored one with goatskin leather seats,&amp;#8221; or into the rich, young ruler&amp;#8217;s perfect theology framing a heart of cold selfishness. The answer to the problem of the prosperity gospel is staring us in the face.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We simply don&amp;#8217;t want to obey God and live it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[They&#8217;re Taking Over!]]></title>
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		<category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Christianity in North America" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Church Issues" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Creativity" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Oddities" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="AM" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Boring" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Christian Radio" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Conformity" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Family-Friendly" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="FM" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Kid-Safe" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Lowest Common Denominator" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Pablum" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Radio" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Sell-Out" /><category scheme="http://ceruleansanctum.com" term="Uniformity" />		<summary type="html"><![CDATA[This last weekend saw me riding the driver&#8217;s seat of our Corolla for long stretches of time as I cruised north and back. Searching for some music to imbibe, I cruised the dial, the seek feature on our car&#8217;s radio stopping every 0.3 MHz to land on a different station.
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		<content type="html" xml:base="http://ceruleansanctum.com/2008/07/theyre-taking-over.html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;img class="alignleft" style="float: left; border: 0;" title="Classic AM radio (photo by Vic Brincat)" src="/images/2008/am_radio.jpg" border="0" alt="Classic AM radio (photo by Vic Brincat)" width="285" height="213" align="right" /&gt;This last weekend saw me riding the driver&amp;#8217;s seat of our Corolla for long stretches of time as I cruised north and back. Searching for some music to imbibe, I cruised the dial, the seek feature on our car&amp;#8217;s radio stopping every 0.3 MHz to land on a different station.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#8217;s what I discovered: about a hundred Christian radio stations, each and every last one playing &amp;#8220;i Can Only Imagine&amp;#8221; at the same exact time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, so maybe the &amp;#8220;I Can Only Imagine&amp;#8221; comment is an exaggeration—though not by much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And each of those stations is &amp;#8220;kid-safe&amp;#8221; or &amp;#8220;family-friendly.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A decade or two ago, I would have welcomed those stations gladly. Now I wonder if all they&amp;#8217;re producing is milquetoast believers whose idea of a spiritual challenge is choosing the right two-tone cover for their TNIV.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Worse, all these stations seem to be owned by the same conglomerate, so it&amp;#8217;s not unusual to find two or three stations on the dial playing &amp;#8220;I Can Only Imagine&amp;#8221; at the same exact time because some &amp;#8220;DJ&amp;#8221; is sitting in a booth in San Antonio spinning that disc, pumping it out to thousands of subscriber stations across the country. Why? Because a lot of local stations obsessed over demographic figures, switched their programming to be mostly (bad) music, gave up their distinctive voice,  and saw their audiences shrivel up. Or the stalwart audience went elsewhere, leaving the station to the new masses, masses who had no intention of financially supporting that station. Big conglomerate swoops in and the next thing you know, new ownership, and a DJ who sounds suspiciously like Ryan Seacrest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to listen to Christian radio primarily for the teaching. I suspect that most Christian radio stations don&amp;#8217;t even have teaching anymore. And what teaching remains seems about as stale as year-old bread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#8217;s something tremendously sad about witnessing the dynamic Christian radio I knew in my youth distill down into this lowest-common-denominator slop we have today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find it disheartening, too, that the most challenging teachers out there are either gone from the airwaves or have dumbed-down their messages to be more appealing and easily grasped by an audience with an attention span of a paramecium.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also find it discouraging that an artist like Derek Webb, one of  the few contemporary musicians I listen to, can&amp;#8217;t get airplay. Then again, a line like &amp;#8220;I am a whore, I must confess&amp;#8230;&amp;#8221; ain&amp;#8217;t all that family-friendly, now is it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So instead of dancing a jig over the juggernaut of contemporary Christian radio stations taking over the radio dial, I&amp;#8217;m nostalgic for what once was.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you?&lt;/p&gt;
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