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21 Steps to a 21st Century Church - Part 3
January 18, 2006

Posted by Dan Edelen in : Best of Cerulean Sanctum, Cerulean Sanctum Series, Christianity in North America, Church Issues, Community, Discernment, Dying to Self, Hospitality, Humility, Youth

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New light in an old churchFour more issues we need to address in this series of "21 Steps to a 21st Century Church." (Previous installments: #1 and #2.) If you start to see a trend here, well…it's intentional.

12. Be a church for all kinds of people

11. Conduct a proper self-examination

10. Fire the youth pastor…then rehire him for his true purpose

9. Be hospitable

Look for part four on Thursday (if I manage to get over this awful chest cold I have right now.)

***All posts in this series can be found here.

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Comment by Kim
2006-01-17 20:41:00

We walk into church, our boys go to their Sunday school classes, my husband and I go to ours (together). This is the one hour a week that we speak to adults about adult topics. It is one of the few hours in the week that my children get to hear other people talk about God (other than my husband and I). These small groups in a church are a key to its vitality. It is here that much ministering takes place. The older adult class in our church has been together for over 50 years. They aren’t being shuttled into a corner — they are active and learning, and maintaining a Christian fellowship that has sustained them for half a century. Why do you assume that because my almost teenage son attends youth group that I have abdicated my responsiblity to teach him about God? I am supplementing what I do with youth group and allowing him the privilege of Christian fellowship that I enjoy.

Thank you for your examination of this topic and for the thoughts that it has inspired for me. Keep it up.

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 01:12:00

Kim,

Any series like this is going to make general statements. Some churches can make even the craziest ideas work and some can’t even get a committee to agree on the simplest idea. You never know what will work.

IN GENERAL, churches suffer from some of the things I’ve mentioned here. It is to those churches that I’m speaking. Yes, there are parents who teach their kids the Faith exactly like they should, but sadly, that’s the small, small minority from my experience.

Glad you are finding good things in the series. It will keep getting meatier as we get closer to #1.

 
Comment by Anonymous
2006-01-18 02:01:00

Dan,
I guess the only issue with saying that it is the parents responsibility to raise children/teens in the faith is that it doesn’t address young believers with non-christian parents…

(the answer at least in part lies in the body of christ acting as a family - but I thought I should point it out…)

 
Comment by Travis
2006-01-18 11:19:00

Ooh! Can I try and tackle anonymous’ comment? ;)
Most kids like you’ve described would only be coming if (a) one of the kids in the church with believing parents invited them, or (b) the church’s shuttle bus picks ‘em up, because pagan Mom and Dad are happy to be kid-free for a few.

This situation is similar to the single mom in need of a father figure for her boys… parents in the church should “adopt” such a child. We need to actually be the People and the Family of God.

 
Comment by Robin Lee Hatcher
2006-01-18 11:54:00

Great series, Dan. The biggest thing it is doing for me is making me so thankful for my home church. It is a dynamic, newcomer friendly, authentic Christianity, discipling church. They honor the artists. They honor the intellectuals. They reach the youth, the teens, the midlifers, and the elderly. So many of the things you are saying that the church needs, I am seeing lived out in this local body of Christ. It’s been my church home just over three years, so I can say they truly do reach out to those who are new. But I guess I get so used to seeing all these good things and listening to the good teaching, I am sometimes unaware that so many Christians don’t have access to the same sort of church home. Thanks for the reminder to be grateful. Robin

 
Comment by codepoke
2006-01-18 12:45:00

I don’t know what to do with #12, Dan. Your solution seems worse than the problem to me, though I agree that both are problems.

Your stated problem is our churches lack of human variety. Your solution is to increase focus on the nuclear family. Then you return to the original question without answers. I believe the church trumps the nuclear family in the plans of God, and that it is just exactly the place that we should go to find meaning in our lives that is larger than our families. Making the kingdom of God yet another family event cheapens it dramatically.

As for why we all look the same in our churches, is it not because we all believe the same? It’s not that the church at the corner of High and Broad caters to white people. That church caters to Presbyterians of a particular bent, and they all tend to be white people. I’ll blow the geography bugle again.

Self examination can hardly be overplayed. Thanks!

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 13:16:00

Anonymous,

I knew that at least one person would say what you did, but I didn’t provide an answer because this series is revealing what that answer is. Travis had a good response along those lines.

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 13:19:00

Robin,

Yes, you are fortunate. From your description, it sounds as if your church is doing a lot of things right.

Even so, I think all our churches can do better with unifying their educational programs, plus the simple act of treating people right and making sure they are plugged in at all levels within the church.

We can always do better, right?

Thanks for writing! I read your blog and marvel at how busy you are, yet always productive.

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 13:25:00

Codepoke,

Somehow you got the wrong message from #12, so I guess I didn’t write it well enough.

It’s not about nuclear families, though I see no reason for a church to work at cross-purposes in their educational programs by splitting up nuclear families when they show up on Sunday. But it’s not all about nuclear families, either. Did you follow the link showing that Jesus was not as interested in nuclear families as say Focus on the Family?

I’m arguing that we stop leaving people out of the family of believers. And we tend to do that by isolating certain groups (elderly, singles, couples, etc.) rather than designing ministries that work cross-generationally.

 
Comment by Weekend Fisher
2006-01-18 15:10:00

I’ve taught and still teach “age-segregated” Sunday school. I’ve taught the preschoolers. Some of them aren’t toilet trained. If you use a word longer than 2 syllables or ask them to read something, or read something to them that has no pictures, you’ve lost them. They like to color pictures of the story. Grown-ups don’t.

I’m teaching pre-teens now. They ask lots of questions. Doubt they’d ask some of them in front of a mixed-age crowd. The age-segregated classes are, up until a certain age, needed. The kids asking the goofiest questions have the parents least able to field those questions.

There’s a place for a mixed-age class. But there truly is a need for a separate class for the less mature also.

 
Comment by Travis
2006-01-18 17:57:00

“They like to color pictures of the story. Grown-ups don’t.”

NOT true! =o

 
Comment by cwv warrior
2006-01-18 18:32:00

Diversity as a goal in itself is feeble. A welcoming church shouldn’t need to put thought or energy into such matters. To dwell on it is create division, much like a liberal.
On the other hand, I love the idea of helping parents and not cutting them off from their children’s education. As a homeschool mom, I’d take it all the way and do without a youth minister. Radical, I know. I happen to like nuclear families worshiping/learning together. Leaving singles, elderly, or childless couples out is not what I mean either. I like the way you think on this. Clumping is bad!

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 20:18:00

CWV, Diversity isn’t a feeble issue if the neighborhood around the church is diverse, yet the church isn’t!

I know a lot of churches that fall down in that regard. I even know of a church split where some folks didn’t like the fact that their outreach was actually attracting “those” people to their church, so they started a new church. Have you ever heard of anything so stupid?

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 20:23:00

Weekend,

I’m not necessarily against age-segregated classrooms. What I am against is using different curriculum in each of those classrooms. When the family gets back together, the parents have no idea what their kids studied.

On the other hand, a unified curriculum gears the same topic or passage for each age group. So if the adults study the Good Samaritan, so does each classroom of their kids—all in a completely age-appropriate manner. Churches that use this method are light-years ahead of those that don’t, and they grow as a result.

 
Comment by Steve
2006-01-18 22:40:00

I have to heartily disagree with your comments on youth ministry. Our church has long had burgeoning, active, solidly biblical youth ministries (both middle school and high) with fabulous teachers and leaders. The youth ministries allow kids a wonderful opportunity to meet peers and learn from one another how they can grow strong in Christ. These kids are VERY active in ministry, and the leaders make a deliberate effort to keep in touch with parents regularly and emphasize the parents’ serious responsibility for bringing up their own kids the way they should. Parental authority is strongly affirmed and encouraged. We feel very fortunate to be in such a church with an extraordinary high level of youth participation that encourages REAL growth in Christ and service for the kingdom, and many of the families are healthy families.

Sorry, Dan, but our three teen sons and many other kids at our church have turned out fantastic. We wouldn’t have it any other way.

 
Comment by codepoke
2006-01-18 22:55:00

Gotcha, Dan. My bad. I think I might be trying to do too much on one lunch period!

Your unified curriculum idea is very cool.

 
Comment by Weekend Fisher
2006-01-18 23:13:00

There are passages for which a unified curriculum would work. Good Samaritan is one of them. Maybe ought to do a term of those each year. But Romans 1? No preschooler can get their head around the concepts. Half my preteens class couldn’t either. If the unified curriculum were for the whole year, the parents could never study any passage that was entirely above the head of the preschoolers, kindergartners, etc. There’s a time for the parents to be in the same class as their kids. There’s a time for the parents to see the same material as their kids. And there’s time for the parents to cover the parts that the kids just can’t mentally grasp yet.

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 23:25:00

Steve,

The youth ministry at your church is in the vast, vast, vast minority. Every study on youth ministry done in the last thirty years has shown it to be a miserable failure.

Everything I write here will, by its very nature, be a generalization. Some churches will have no troubles at all in some of these areas, while others will be a disaster.

 
Comment by Dan Edelen
2006-01-18 23:29:00

Weekend,

Respectfully, I have to disagree. I know churches that have gone to a unified curriculum and have made it work down to the youngest ages. Having taught very young children, I know that anything in the Scriptures can be explained to them if we work at through the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

The precedent is there, too. In fact, before we started segregating everyone, a unified curriculum is how the Puritans and others like them dealt with Christian Ed for their families.

 
Comment by Bonnie
2006-01-23 19:35:00

Weekend,
Humbly, it seems more important for pre-schoolers (at least) to learn what their purpose is in worship and the church body rather than going off to play and color about a lesson they will most likely forget by next week. A parent’s example is what will stick with children. When children stay with their parents they see the function of their father and mother in the body, and therefore are able to see where and how they should function. We should encourage parents to teach their own children, and during the church “hour” should be no different.

 
Comment by Pew Potato
2006-02-22 10:11:00

Any suggestions of publishers offering unified curriculum? The only one we’ve found is Group’s FaithWeaver, but we felt the Adult material was weak.

 
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